France Muslim face veil ban?

[[m'kay]]

The burqa I can somewhat understand. However, the niqab is something that women wear to show their submission to Allah (willingly I might add). I can understand France's position, but this is somewhat akin to fining Christians for wearing crosses. (somewhat hyperbolic, but you get the picture)

[Corpse]

it is widely believed that early man migrated from deep within Africa and moved North into Europe and thus began populating there. Also there were "White" Nomadic tribes that wandered all through out Europe and even recently discovered on the western most edges of Asia for several thousand years. So really who's to say who was there first? Just a thought.

I don't see how talking about the movement of mankind's ethnic subdivisions is relevant to Muslims living in France. "Who got there first?" isn't important, as Islam was only founded around the 7th century AD, long after different ethnic groups of people would have settled in France.

[Duel of Fates]

. . . to fining Christians for wearing crosses. (somewhat hyperbolic, but you get the picture)

Don't give them any ideas.

I say put em all on reservations for a couple of generations, then let them open casinos. It worked for us.

[mrjamwin]

it is widely believed that early man migrated from deep within Africa and moved North into Europe and thus began populating there. Also there were "White" Nomadic tribes that wandered all through out Europe and even recently discovered on the western most edges of Asia for several thousand years. So really who's to say who was there first? Just a thought.

I don't see how talking about the movement of mankind's ethnic subdivisions is relevant to Muslims living in France. "Who got there first?" isn't important, as Islam was only founded around the 7th century AD, long after different ethnic groups of people would have settled in France.

Well Corpse don't get your panties in a wad. I was merely responding to Matt's statement and bringing a unrelated point in the discussion

[(SWGO)Kren]

In my opinion there are a number of things to consider:

1) If another faith decided to wear clothing that hid the face and there were terror attacks associated with that faith against the indigenous population would that country be in their right to ask for a change?
2) The majority of the Muslim faith is not associated with terror attacks but due to the minority the face of terror has become associated with veil wearing individuals.
3) Religious tolerance needs to be considered. One country's approach might be significantly different from another’s. Is the worship of one faith allowed in another country?
4) Should a country allow religious freedom or should other faiths be restricted as to what they do in terms of religious worship etc. For example if Christians or other religions began to wear clothing specific to their own religion in a Muslim country is this allowed now? Is this an infringement of their human rights and think carefully here.
5) Do all other Muslim countries tolerate the beliefs of other faiths?

Some things you also might need to be aware of when deciding if banning the burka is right/wrong based upon the view of Islam regarding other faiths:

Algeria – The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution. The country has passed the “Regulation of Religious Practice” law, which stipulates a punishment of two to five years’ imprisonment and heavy fines for anyone convicted of urging a Muslim to change his religion.

Syria – The constitution requires the president to be a Muslim and specifies that Islamic jurisprudence is a principal source of legislation. Sharing your Christian faith is discouraged as “posing a threat to the relations among religious groups” and carries a penalty of up to life in prison.

Kuwait – Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organised religious education for religions other than Islam.

Yemen – Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.

Saudi Arabia – Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal. Easter celebrations are illegal. can be arrested for entering the “holy” Muslim cities of Medina and Mecca if you are a Christian.

Jordan – Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.
Sudan – Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.
Pakistan – Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4823874.stm

So when deciding if France is acting within their sovereign rights, infringing upon individuals human rights or being intolerant towards Islam in terms of banning the burka I think you need to take the above into consideration when making any informed reply.

Regards,

Kren

[-)G(-Sawyer]

In my opinion there are a number of things to consider:

1) If another faith decided to wear clothing that hid the face and there were terror attacks associated with that faith against the indigenous population would that country be in their right to ask for a change?
2) The majority of the Muslim faith is not associated with terror attacks but due to the minority the face of terror has become associated with veil wearing individuals.
3) Religious tolerance needs to be considered. One country's approach might be significantly different from another’s. Is the worship of one faith allowed in another country?
4) Should a country allow religious freedom or should other faiths be restricted as to what they do in terms of religious worship etc. For example if Christians or other religions began to wear clothing specific to their own religion in a Muslim country is this allowed now? Is this an infringement of their human rights and think carefully here.
5) Do all other Muslim countries tolerate the beliefs of other faiths?

Some things you also might need to be aware of when deciding if banning the burka is right/wrong based upon the view of Islam regarding other faiths:

Algeria – The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution. The country has passed the “Regulation of Religious Practice” law, which stipulates a punishment of two to five years’ imprisonment and heavy fines for anyone convicted of urging a Muslim to change his religion.

Syria – The constitution requires the president to be a Muslim and specifies that Islamic jurisprudence is a principal source of legislation. Sharing your Christian faith is discouraged as “posing a threat to the relations among religious groups” and carries a penalty of up to life in prison.

Kuwait – Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organised religious education for religions other than Islam.

Yemen – Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.

Saudi Arabia – Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal. Easter celebrations are illegal. can be arrested for entering the “holy” Muslim cities of Medina and Mecca if you are a Christian.

Jordan – Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.
Sudan – Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.
Pakistan – Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4823874.stm

So when deciding if France is acting within their sovereign rights, infringing upon individuals human rights or being intolerant towards Islam in terms of banning the burka I think you need to take the above into consideration when making any informed reply.

Regards,

Kren

[mrjamwin]

Interesting.

[Admiral_Aeka]

In my opinion there are a number of things to consider:

1) If another faith decided to wear clothing that hid the face and there were terror attacks associated with that faith against the indigenous population would that country be in their right to ask for a change?
2) The majority of the Muslim faith is not associated with terror attacks but due to the minority the face of terror has become associated with veil wearing individuals.
3) Religious tolerance needs to be considered. One country's approach might be significantly different from another’s. Is the worship of one faith allowed in another country?
4) Should a country allow religious freedom or should other faiths be restricted as to what they do in terms of religious worship etc. For example if Christians or other religions began to wear clothing specific to their own religion in a Muslim country is this allowed now? Is this an infringement of their human rights and think carefully here.
5) Do all other Muslim countries tolerate the beliefs of other faiths?

Some things you also might need to be aware of when deciding if banning the burka is right/wrong based upon the view of Islam regarding other faiths:

Algeria – The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution. The country has passed the “Regulation of Religious Practice” law, which stipulates a punishment of two to five years’ imprisonment and heavy fines for anyone convicted of urging a Muslim to change his religion.

Syria – The constitution requires the president to be a Muslim and specifies that Islamic jurisprudence is a principal source of legislation. Sharing your Christian faith is discouraged as “posing a threat to the relations among religious groups” and carries a penalty of up to life in prison.

Kuwait – Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organised religious education for religions other than Islam.

Yemen – Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.

Saudi Arabia – Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal. Easter celebrations are illegal. can be arrested for entering the “holy” Muslim cities of Medina and Mecca if you are a Christian.

Jordan – Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.
Sudan – Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.
Pakistan – Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4823874.stm

So when deciding if France is acting within their sovereign rights, infringing upon individuals human rights or being intolerant towards Islam in terms of banning the burka I think you need to take the above into consideration when making any informed reply.

Regards,

Kren

+1

[BurzaP]

Them would disturb if I wear a full islamic veil but banning it has the same sense what banning people for wearing full strom-trooper/Jedi costume. Those two religions have theirs adherents and they have dogmas, stupid or not but they have to follow them.

Btw, ya know, recently has been street directory and in USA many citizens declared to be Jedi... xDDDD I hope Poland won't be worse!

[Corpse]

Well Corpse don't get your panties in a wad.

Too [m'kay] late.