The Muslims aren't happy

[Duel of Fates]

Caliphate anyone?

[[m'kay]]

Caliphate anyone?

I nominate myself to be the Caliph of SWGO.

[WD-40]

I believe I will be stealing and reposting that one WD. Who's the PhD guy you quoted?

He's a retired Marine who studied American politics and International Relations for 30+ years. He's a college professor now.
Check this link. Hope it works. Doing this on an iTouch.:
http://lgstarr.blogspot.com/2010/07/dem ... y.html?m=1

[toad]

Nice post! Frankly this stuff looks like communism but with a religious twist. You can only tell people for so long that everything is the "West's fault". At some point they figure out that the reason they don't have food or jobs is because you suck. Also intermixing religion and politics has never worked. It didn't for Catholicism. The Muslims are roughly 600 years behind the Catholics, so they are right on schedule to figure this out. Yet it is like everything in life, it takes time for the stuff to get sorted out. The time needed is for the old farts to become irrelevant or in some cases die violently. It is interesting to see the Muslim countries on fire with rebellions. I wonder if the people of those countries look towards Iraq and the freedom they now have. It appears to be the case but only time will tell. I hope and pray that from the ashes comes the peace these people sorely need. Our global society does not need anymore crazy despots.

[Matt-Chicago]

The Muslims aren't happy!!

They're not happy in Gaza.

They're not happy in Egypt.

They're not happy in Libya.

They're not happy in Morocco.

They're not happy in Iran.

They're not happy in Iraq.

They're not happy in Yemen.

They're not happy in Afghanistan.

They're not happy in Pakistan.

They're not happy in Syria.

They're not happy in Lebanon.

And where are they happy?

They're happy in England.

They're happy in France.

They're happy in Italy.

They're happy in Germany.

They're happy in Sweden.

They're happy in the USA.

They're happy in Norway.

They're happy in ISRAEL.

They're happy in every country that is not Muslim.

And who do they blame?

Not Islam.

Not their leadership.

Not themselves.

THEY BLAME ISRAEL AND ANY COUNTRY WHERE THEY ARE HAPPY.

This would be funny if it weren't true.

Arthur L. McGinley, PhD

This post is ridiculously stupid with no scholarship whatsoever. (the post WD - not you )
There is no "the Muslims" - Muslims come from different regions, different races, different languages, different politics. I would assume everyone knows that.

To go through the moronic list one by one (when I say "they" i mean people there, not Muslims):

In Gaza the people are not happy because they live in the biggest open air prison on Earth and have suffered five decades of occupation. I'd be unhappy too.

In Egypt they aren't happy because they've had a dictator for four decades who has been supported and propped up by the US. Egypt has long been the second biggest recipient of US "aid" including military aid. I'd be unhappy too.

In Lybia they've lived under a tyrant for decades - this one actually isn't much the fault of the US - a rarity in that region. I'd be unhappy too.

In Morocco they've just successfully lobbied for a new prime minister and are moving away from monarchy/dictatorship towards democracy. Not sure I'd call them unhappy.

In Iran the Mullah's are trying to keep the country extremely religious and conservative while millions of others are fighting for their rights. I'd be unhappy in a rigid religious society as well.

In Iraq - the US has utterly destroyed the country, caused a civil war, killed maybe a million people, displaced more that 1/4 of the entire population. I'd be unhappy too and if there were any justice in the world Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Feith, and Perle would be in prison for the rest of their lives.

In Yemen they are fighting for democracy and the US is firmly on the side of dictatorship. I would be unhappy too.

I am getting bored with this, but the list is not only a stupid idea and meaningless generalizations, it's also wrong.
Many Muslims are not happy in France - haven't you seen the riots? Same in Britain and Israel - Muslims are feeling more and more marginalized.

You can not talk about how that region has ended up without talking about the "west" We have and still support harsh dictators all over the region to ensure the flow of oil. The whole region was carved up by Britain, France, and others after WWI and WWII - lots of it purposely to stoke ethnic and religious tensions because the biggest fear has been Arab nationalism which might overthrow the corrupt ruling dictatorships.

Anyhow, complex region, lots of races, religions, languages etc, and posts like this do nothing to enlighten or educate anyone, only reinforce jingoism and ignorance.

[Duel of Fates]

Careful MC. Your radical left is showing.

[toad]

In counter point to some of MC post, the rest is just about right. I do agree that It appears the intent of the author was to generalize a very complex issue. But I would have to add that it is thought provoking. Something well suited for academia. Now my counter points:

Gaza has been in a state of war longer than I have been alive. I don't care what crying they do. If the US and Israel where swapped, the US would have stomped Gaza and told the world to stuff it. I have zero sympathy for their "plight".

We have not always aided Egypt. There was the six day war with the US backing Israel and the USSR backing Egypt. It has only been recent that things have come around. I would also like to point out that the Egyptian military did not go around slaughtering its people when they rioted. So I would put that in the win category, for now.

In Iraq, Hussein had already slaughtered millions so the country was already broken. At least now they have a chance to move forward. I am not saying there where not problems with the "invasion" or even if it was legitimate. But it is important to note that the country had big problems before we showed up.

The French/British/European nations rioting is not just a Muslim thing. They are going through the same austerity issues we are.

Lastly I can't agree more that the post WW2 cut up was a complete cluster fart. Yet that was than, and this is now. The people who did it are dead and dying as are the people who had to live through it. Gaddafi is pushing 70 and is barely hanging on with his fingernails.

[WD-40]

Well Matt, my goal certainly wasn't to 'enlighten or educate', and I think based on its format and content, it wasn't intended to. It's to simply present an observation, that warranted discussion and debate. I respect your opinion, as I do everyone elses. However, on the Homefront, we have this issue:

'Kleptocracy'

See link below:

http://lgstarr.blogspot.com/2010/07/dem ... y.html?m=1

Observations worthy of discussion, as it is very believable.

[(SWGO)Kren]

There's conflict the entire world most of it relates to religion, money and resources.

Are the Islamic states happy?....I doubt that very much as internally the people are at fear of the authorities in power and their lives. Do these places care for the west; I would have to say not really unless it benefits them. Would such countries support us to rid them of a dictator then hell yes, the pro-west will give them guns and supplies or if they don't then they are in bed with that countries leaders so a bit of a no-win situation. Do right by western eyes and it is wrong by the Islamic states and Russian Federation, China etc. If the west ignores the plight of these places and you then have protests in your own country pleading for intervention.

You have a dictator, you want rid of said dictator, you ask for assistance, a political chess-match ensues across the globe, dictator gets removed, people die, the west gets blamed for assisting, a new government comes to power, no need for the west to be involved anymore, anti-west feelings build, western companies and religion are forced out or repressed, corruption begins, the region becomes volatile and things turn full circle again. Throw religion and resources into mix and it's a recipe for disaster....welcome to the dark side.

[haasd0gg]

Im happy. In general Im a happy guy. Life and fam are good. I found the post amusing.
If, however, any such unhappy people do exist and come around my block looking to spread their unhappiness it would end badly for them.