Obamacare

[Mandalore]

Obamacare really puts pressure on small and medium sized businesses atm. Hopefully as the system develops that the rate shock we are seeing now will decrease, which it should naturally. It's very difficult to re-organize any of our systems at this point since they're so entrenched and generally are very wealthy. This is true whether it's religion, finance, or healthcare.

[MATTHEW'S_DAD]

Being British this does not really impact me but based upon MD's post I decided to do some further reading from the Website below:

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-facts.php

Is it really that bad or is it not working for certain parts of the population? I am not saying this healthcare is good or bad and as with all things some people will benefit and others will not so is it really a bad thing?

I am not being insensitive here to your situation MD just trying to understand how bad/good it is or will be in the future for you guys, clearly having to pay-out more money for you MD is a bad thing.

Our health care system is not brilliant but it does work but given the US is much larger etc comparing the systems would not work. The only time I deal with insurance companies is to make a claim (house insurance) but apart from that medical treatment etc is so easy over here. If someone in the UK had a medical condition they could still be treated under the NHS or if they want to go private and pay for it.

Kren

Oh no worries Kren, the MD family will be fine. I am concerned for the guys who work for me and have to get by on less and are already struggling to make ends meet. I'm also concerned that we have made a decision that could be the first nail in our coffin. The healthcare system we have in place is unsustainable and it will fall apart under it's own weight and we have no plan in place in case it does. There are too many people, the borders are too wide open and our politicians are too corrupt. I said on here before that it's a pyramid scheme and like all pyramid scheme's, the debt will eventually have to be paid.

[Duel of Fates]

Did I hear that right? Over $600,000,000.00 spent on getting the Obama Care website up and running, with no testing, no public feedback, no security, and not a lot of access so far? How could it fail? It has our beloved leaders name all over it. I hope any of you that lauded this president and his cronies chokes on this crap.

I have had many friends getting their hours cut in order to conform with the Obama Care rules. So now they are losing hours, insurance coverage, and have to go out and find another part time job to keep afloat. All for this moronic behemoth.

Sam, there were plenty of viable alternatives to this "thing" they have heaped upon us, but when you have control of both houses of the Congress, the office of the President, and a weak kneed Supreme Court, they didn't see a reason to look into the more conservative ideas.

Welcome to the Soviet Socialist States of America.

[-)G(-Sawyer]

edit: I just noticed the 3rd world comment. Let's not do that....

apologies if that caused offence. Just a feeling regarding stories of people not getting healthcare when needed or insurance because they are unwell seems in poor taste.

[MATTHEW'S_DAD]

edit: I just noticed the 3rd world comment. Let's not do that....

apologies if that caused offence. Just a feeling regarding stories of people not getting healthcare when needed or insurance because they are unwell seems in poor taste.

Why does one man owe it to another man to pay for his health insurance? What is suppose to be civilized about that? Especially when one takes it from the other.

[[NH]Shadow]

Sawyer. What you said wasn't offensive. It was completely true. The U.S. is deteriorating.....Reagan was our last really good President, and ever since then, our country has been falling apart....I know that I'm young, and most of you are adults, so by default, my opinion doesn't er. However, our country is about to collapse economically. It isn't a er of "if"; it's a er of "when". I'm , so I'll stop now.

[-)G(-Sawyer]

Why does one man owe it to another man to pay for his health insurance? What is suppose to be civilized about that? Especially when one takes it from the other.

I think its a product of were you come from and what seems normal. First off for me there is no insurance, only health care and I just cant sit back and see people in my country go untreated just because they are short of money or don't have insurance. We have a system of care so lets use it, it's not perfect by a long shot. Life, health and well being are more important then some insurance policy or company.

Our NHS is always abused by people who don't pay and that's a strain on it and all tax payers. But given the choice I would rather that continue and still be giving the help we can, and that's what I think is civilized.

[Mandalore]

Sawyer doesn't realize that America is just like ancient Sparta. We take the sick babies and throw them off our cliffs for the wolves. Those who are too old and weak to follow the horde as we roam across the world raping and pillaging are left behind for the carrion crows. With our Lord Jesus Christ, commander of our armies, at the helm of our great horde the sigil of the cross is carried from country to country. Where it is planted soon becomes a barren wasteland as we root out those who oppose Him.

On a serious note, it is interesting how Christianity (which is very communal and arguably socialistic) has mixed with the independent nature of the American Ideal in a capitalist system.

[(=DK=)Samonuh]

Reagan was our last really good President

I feel like you're in no position to make that ridiculous claim...

[Bryant]

On a serious note, it is interesting how Christianity (which is very communal and arguably socialistic) has mixed with the independent nature of the American Ideal in a capitalist system.

I've heard this brought up before with similar arguments... Christianity encourages giving to the poor and taking care of the less fortunate, etc. It does have communal ideas, but not communistic ideas. The difference being that the former is centered on giving, while the latter takes by force. It would never be a "Christian idea" to take money from someone (tax = a form of mob theft), in order to do something else (even if that something else is 'good'). One can still be giving, generous, and caring under capitalism, but it's an individual choice and not one forced upon you and others.

Although, I don't know how Christianity was brought into this...

Our NHS is always abused by people who don't pay and that's a strain on it and all tax payers. But given the choice I would rather that continue and still be giving the help we can, and that's what I think is civilized.

My question has also been: How does giving something you don't have be considered civilized? It's more a larger question on how does debt function in a global economic system. At what point do other countries no longer lend them money? (It is impossible to continuously spend more than you make, right?). Most countries have a budget deficit which means they'd have to borrow more money to pay off the money they borrowed... I honestly don't understand how it works, with information being skewed by both foreign and domestic politics doesn't help much either.