Government involvement in Healthcare, what scares me....

[Draigun]

You know you're starting to get on my nerves Samonuh. If you think I am yelling at that country that opposes me, then you're right. In fact, I believe no one could agree with me. You apparently don't know what a government runs like. It runs like a control barrier that is reflecting a vicious, never ending cycle of corruption. I'm not typical at all. There is a ton of reasons why the U.S. will never be the "best". But to be honest, there will never be such a thing in this world.

You just agree with everything they do. You don't give a [poo] about your life. You think you're doing what's right by following the arrogant leaders. I don't consider myself a citizen of the U.S. since I disagree with everything they view.

You're a typical U.S. citizen that has no desire to seek change. You are also a typical citizen that agrees with the master's words. One day, maybe you'll realize that playing your nice guitar hero game doesn't do anything meaningful. You just think it's the hot stuff because everyone else does "this". You're a follower, my left-sided fool.

The U.S. uses money to power the self-centered fuel for our so called "economy". Without this small, green piece of paper, the soul and life in the U.S. will fall down just because of that small, green piece of paper. I lost shelter just because I didn't have this small, green piece of paper that so called helps everyone. If you were to put a roof over your head, what will it do? Will it protect you from weather? Yes. Will it protect you from the cold? Yes. Will it help you survive? Yes. But let's put money instead of a nice roof. Will it do the same? No. Will it protect you from weather? No, it will just shrivel up and then dissolve into the ground of earth. Will it protect you from cold weather? No, it's to small and has no protection what so ever. So if this is true, then why are we using it to use the roof itself? This is what I'm talking about; it's everywhere. We go into war because we need to defend ourselves from the self-conflict that was created by the defenders themselves! If you win a war, that's good because now the corruption is protected and that means it enters the vicious cycle all over again.

You're also a typical U.S. citizen because if you don't get your small, baby little way, then you're going to cry and complain to make sure others suffer from your own corruption.

This is way off-topic, so I apologize for that.

No, you're the typical citizen. You sit on your arse all day, fooling around on the computer, then you here everyone complaining about the government in every possible way, and you'd figure you go on the band-wagon, thinking you actually count and have meaning. You're one citizen, no one cares whether you're dead or alive. Same with me. Why spend all your life constantly fighting against something and taking it for granted? Move to any African/Asian country, where 2/3 of the world lives, and tell me how well you are able to deal with their government. Then tell me our government is awful

Well, that's going to change soon.

[MATTHEW'S_DAD]

A year ago, this thread would've shocked me. And there in lies the intent of the current administration, to shove the "accepted norm" as far left as possible so we the people will accept things we would never have accepted years ago. It's sort of like gas prices, in that it is easier to swallow 3$ a gallon when you've been paying 4$ versus 2$. People who so easily disregard the positive influence the US has in the world, now and in the past, in my opinion, are too willing to become slaves to the ones in power because they refuse to see history for what it is and to learn anything from it. And these same people, are the ones helping the control freaks get their way. It's a shame really, and I blame our politicians for it because they provide too many opportunities for these misguided people to "be right" with their views. Being a politician is all about control, whether it is positive or negative, it's control. This is why I am for term limits, because serving your community is just that, a service, not a career. When one turns it into a career, corruption becomes abundant. There are some good politicians out there, but unfortunately too many bad ones in the mix ruin it for everyone. I know I'm off topic and probably rambling (i'm at work, so i can pay my taxes for the lazy asses down the street can get their check) but I had to respond to what I've read here. Drai, I understand the world you want to see and I also understand that YOU know it is unrealistic and unattainable. Correct me if I'm wrong about that.

Regarding health care, I laugh at the left wingers pushing for this as they seem to think they will always be in charge of it and the right wingers won't get their hands on it. It truly shows how short sighted the left really is. The right will do things in it to slow it down and hopefully shrink it and then the left will get it back and grow it some more. This thing will become such a bloated disaster down the road when the two sides get done with it and we will never be able to get rid of it.

By the way Fly, you misspelled health care!!!

[WD-40]

Being a politician is all about control, whether it is positive or negative, it's control. This is why I am for term limits, because serving your community is just that, a service, not a career. When one turns it into a career, corruption becomes abundant. There are some good politicians out there, but unfortunately too many bad ones in the mix ruin it for everyone.

AMEN Brother!

[KOko]

AMEN BRUTHA!

[Matt-Chicago]

Not replying to a lot of the specifics in this thread, but...

Since health care seems to be a limited resource, who should decide who gets health care and who doesn't?
Obviously most in this thread don't want the government deciding, so who should? Private industry? Should it be by money?

If I live in a town with five cancer doctors and there are 100 people with cancer, 99 of the people make the median income of $45,000 per year but one person is a billionaire - should that one billionaire get all five doctors while the other 99 die because they don't have as much money? Is that how we want access to health care decided?

These are real issues and all I hear is complaints, not solutions.

[Flyswamper]

Since health care seems to be a limited resource, who should decide who gets health care and who doesn't?
Obviously most in this thread don't want the government deciding, so who should? Private industry? Should it be by money?

I recognize there are inequalities/evil/trouble associated with any method of deciding. Although it isn't perfect, I do believe that private healthcare which (as Jango put it) is not considered a "right" and is essentially rationed with money..... seems to have resulted in a better overall healthcare system than any other place in the world that rations it through other means. And, if for no other reason than choosing the lesser of the evils.....I believe that "money" is the least harmful answer.

And I do recognize that I sit here saying that with good health insurance/coverage and *IF* I was in a different situation I *MIGHT* feel differently.

[WD-40]

Since health care seems to be a limited resource, who should decide who gets health care and who doesn't?
Obviously most in this thread don't want the government deciding, so who should? Private industry? Should it be by money?

If I live in a town with five cancer doctors and there are 100 people with cancer, 99 of the people make the median income of $45,000 per year but one person is a billionaire - should that one billionaire get all five doctors while the other 99 die because they don't have as much money? Is that how we want access to health care decided?

These are real issues and all I hear is complaints, not solutions.

One thing is certain...Power corrupts. Universal Health Care will account for 1/6th of our Governments budget. If the 'Federal Sysytem' (Government) runs it, it will fail. The President appoints people to positions of power as a return favor from the Party or himself, or to give his party or agenda more power..that usually is the norm, and likely that person is not even a qualified person(s) to run it. Not always, but most of the time. Rarely, is the person there because they are the 'best' choice. The Prez will always wield power over it, giving him what people will view as 'Dictatorial' authority. Individual States will lose even more of their ability to govern themselves. The less Fed Government involvement you have in States legislative affairs, the better. It's always better that way.

Now, If a 'Private' organization runs it, without strict and enforced Congressional oversight, it will fail. Unsupervised, it will be corrupt, payouts to those who are not on the 'Black List' will occur. With all the people filing for coverage (Millions per day), how can you possibly oversee and properly administer something like that without it being misused? Congress is full of douche-bags who's only concern it seems is looking good in front of the camera and getting re-elected. That's why I'm for term-limits. No career, just do your dam job! You work for the people, not your retirement!

Universal Health Care isn't even funded! The Prez and Congress took us down a road, directly toward a cliff at full speed. Bottom line, I wish we could have a Universal Health Care system that worked, and we could afford it. But every Country that has tried it, there are big problems. People still come to the U.S. to get treatment or surgeries that they can't get in their own countries...at least for now...because when we switch over, it will not help them, just like it won't help us.

Ohh..and if Congress is going to jack my taxes and screw my income to help pay for it, I may lose my house due to not being able to afford the mortgage payments...and I'll still have crappy Government-run health coverage to show for it! Thank you Obama-nation! Do I want to take one huge step toward 'socialism' to pay for this thanks to this Progressive President who studied 'Marxism' while in College, actively seeking out Professors of Marxism while there? NO!!!!

Bottom line, There is no good answer Matt. It's an 'F'-ed up system that was rammed down the throats of Americans who overwhelmingly didn't want it. Congress needed to fix health care, but not like that.

[Duel of Fates]

Do I want to take one huge step toward 'socialism' to pay for this[?]

Way too late to take just one step toward socialism. We have a president who came right out of the gates running full speed into the 'greatness' of socialism.

[koolcat101]

How much can you people type? I didn't bother reading any of the posts so this may not be erelevant...

Here in Canada the government provides health care for all people. Where I live I go go to the doctors and get vacines, I can get a checkup, I could get minor things like that. I think even some treatmetns for cancer come from government money. I don't need a thousand dollars or whatever to see if I have a cold and get told I don't, its just allergies. I couldn't care less, really. If the government gets involed, thats fine by my stanards. Since I am canadian and I am under 18 I have no understanding in a way. I usually don't get sick so I guess that makes a difference. But anyhow. Life goes on...

[Flyswamper]

How much can you people type? I didn't bother reading any of the posts so this may not be erelevant...

<Flyswamper shakes his head in disgust>.... Suggest that if you can't read at least the opening post to the thread that maybe you shouldn't even comment. If you *DID* actually read it a bit you'd realize that the post and news story that started this is something that is going on right here in Canada. It only has implications for the US because of the current debates about how to change the healthcare system there.

Of course, your post does prove a very valid point that is the root of a lot of our problems. People on both sides of important issues tend to form opinions without even taking the least bit of effort to actually learn about and understand the issues they are taking sides on. This occurs on both sides of way way too many arguments. None of us are immune, but too many are very sure of themselves when they aren't armed with an informed opinion in the first place.