France Muslim face veil ban?

[mrjamwin]

Well Corpse don't get your panties in a wad.

Too [m'kay] late.

I'm glad to see you have a good sense of humor.

[Corpse]

Not joking. You crossed the line.

[mrjamwin]

Well in that case. What color panties do you prefer and I'll buy you some for you birthday?

[Corpse]

I only wear black full-body underwear.

[[m'kay]]

In my opinion there are a number of things to consider:

1) If another faith decided to wear clothing that hid the face and there were terror attacks associated with that faith against the indigenous population would that country be in their right to ask for a change?
2) The majority of the Muslim faith is not associated with terror attacks but due to the minority the face of terror has become associated with veil wearing individuals.
3) Religious tolerance needs to be considered. One country's approach might be significantly different from another’s. Is the worship of one faith allowed in another country?
4) Should a country allow religious freedom or should other faiths be restricted as to what they do in terms of religious worship etc. For example if Christians or other religions began to wear clothing specific to their own religion in a Muslim country is this allowed now? Is this an infringement of their human rights and think carefully here.
5) Do all other Muslim countries tolerate the beliefs of other faiths?

Some things you also might need to be aware of when deciding if banning the burka is right/wrong based upon the view of Islam regarding other faiths:

Algeria – The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution. The country has passed the “Regulation of Religious Practice” law, which stipulates a punishment of two to five years’ imprisonment and heavy fines for anyone convicted of urging a Muslim to change his religion.

Syria – The constitution requires the president to be a Muslim and specifies that Islamic jurisprudence is a principal source of legislation. Sharing your Christian faith is discouraged as “posing a threat to the relations among religious groups” and carries a penalty of up to life in prison.

Kuwait – Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organised religious education for religions other than Islam.

Yemen – Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.

Saudi Arabia – Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal. Easter celebrations are illegal. can be arrested for entering the “holy” Muslim cities of Medina and Mecca if you are a Christian.

Jordan – Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.
Sudan – Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.
Pakistan – Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4823874.stm

So when deciding if France is acting within their sovereign rights, infringing upon individuals human rights or being intolerant towards Islam in terms of banning the burka I think you need to take the above into consideration when making any informed reply.

Regards,

Kren

Correct me if i'm wrong, but is your argument largely that "well they're not protecting religious differences so we shouldn't either"? Keep in mind that the people that are being affected by this are largely native to France, and have no relation to those countries that you named. Just because they're part of the same religion doesn't mean that they have the same ideals. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that every Muslim in France is all happy go lucky and totally understanding, but neither am I saying that the people in the Middle Eastern countries are also the same way. And I believe that Sudan and Pakistan are quite close to proclaimed allies of the Taliban, who are known for being particularly extremist in their religious views. Again, correct me if i'm wrong as I may have simply read into it incorrectly.

Regards,

A Guy Who Is Actually Looking At Current Events Due To An Overbearing History Teacher That Goes Over Them For Forty Minutes A Day God Why Did I Take This Course On The Middle East

[WD-40]

Why do you guys think of this?

I think that it's a ridiculous law. If it's part of their religion, then let them have the choice to wear the veil. What harm could it do?

Well, if they could keep the burkas/veils on, it would certainly give them an 'edge' should they decide to rob a bank. But that's really the only thing that comes to mind. It also narrows down the possibilities of where the suicide bomb explosion might come from.
Oh...and to reiterate what Kren said, I suppose it'd be nice if the Muslims showed some tolerance of Christianity in Muslim countries. We can have all the tolerance we can muster, but quite frankly, Muslims in Muslim countries dont give a dam what Christians think about the hatred and intolerance Muslims have toward Christians.

[[m'kay]]

Well, if they could keep the burkas/veils on, it would certainly give them an 'edge' should they decide to rob a bank.

lol you cannot see [poo] in a burka, you can barely even see where you're going, much less shoot a [m'kay]

[(SWGO)Kren]

In my opinion there are a number of things to consider:

1) If another faith decided to wear clothing that hid the face and there were terror attacks associated with that faith against the indigenous population would that country be in their right to ask for a change?
2) The majority of the Muslim faith is not associated with terror attacks but due to the minority the face of terror has become associated with veil wearing individuals.
3) Religious tolerance needs to be considered. One country's approach might be significantly different from another’s. Is the worship of one faith allowed in another country?
4) Should a country allow religious freedom or should other faiths be restricted as to what they do in terms of religious worship etc. For example if Christians or other religions began to wear clothing specific to their own religion in a Muslim country is this allowed now? Is this an infringement of their human rights and think carefully here.
5) Do all other Muslim countries tolerate the beliefs of other faiths?

Some things you also might need to be aware of when deciding if banning the burka is right/wrong based upon the view of Islam regarding other faiths:

Algeria – The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution. The country has passed the “Regulation of Religious Practice” law, which stipulates a punishment of two to five years’ imprisonment and heavy fines for anyone convicted of urging a Muslim to change his religion.

Syria – The constitution requires the president to be a Muslim and specifies that Islamic jurisprudence is a principal source of legislation. Sharing your Christian faith is discouraged as “posing a threat to the relations among religious groups” and carries a penalty of up to life in prison.

Kuwait – Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organised religious education for religions other than Islam.

Yemen – Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.

Saudi Arabia – Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal. Easter celebrations are illegal. can be arrested for entering the “holy” Muslim cities of Medina and Mecca if you are a Christian.

Jordan – Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.
Sudan – Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.
Pakistan – Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4823874.stm

So when deciding if France is acting within their sovereign rights, infringing upon individuals human rights or being intolerant towards Islam in terms of banning the burka I think you need to take the above into consideration when making any informed reply.

Regards,

Kren

Correct me if i'm wrong, but is your argument largely that "well they're not protecting religious differences so we shouldn't either"? Keep in mind that the people that are being affected by this are largely native to France, and have no relation to those countries that you named. Just because they're part of the same religion doesn't mean that they have the same ideals. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that every Muslim in France is all happy go lucky and totally understanding, but neither am I saying that the people in the Middle Eastern countries are also the same way. And I believe that Sudan and Pakistan are quite close to proclaimed allies of the Taliban, who are known for being particularly extremist in their religious views. Again, correct me if i'm wrong as I may have simply read into it incorrectly.

Regards,

A Guy Who Is Actually Looking At Current Events Due To An Overbearing History Teacher That Goes Over Them For Forty Minutes A Day God Why Did I Take This Course On The Middle East

The new law's title makes no reference to Islam, burkas or niqabs, and is called "the bill to forbid concealing one's face in public" so the topic's title does not correctly reflect the bill however there can be no mistake that with around five million 'native' Muslims that this is going to cause problems. As you most likely know there are other religions in Islamic countries however do their human rights etc allow them to wear certain religious garments or practice their religion freely? I am not making an argument btw I am stating how one religion treats another and what is fair to one faith does not apply equally to all faiths. The larger picture as i see is that France want's to retain and assert it's own values and it is a very secular country, and it's their country.

In Saudi Arabia a woman is not allowed to go out unless she is covered so in France can they not state how their own country should be governed by their own laws? If another country has it's own laws and does not allow other relgions to practice why is France suddenly so bad? Let's look at it another way...if you lived in an Islamic country would you abide by their laws and views and if you did not how would this effect you, your family etc. Nowhere in the Quran is it written that a woman must cover in this manner. It simply states that a woman should cover her breasts with the scarf from her head.

Regards,

Kren

[Corpse]

Well, if they could keep the burkas/veils on, it would certainly give them an 'edge' should they decide to rob a bank. But that's really the only thing that comes to mind. It also narrows down the possibilities of where the suicide bomb explosion might come from.
Oh...and to reiterate what Kren said, I suppose it'd be nice if the Muslims showed some tolerance of Christianity in Muslim countries. We can have all the tolerance we can muster, but quite frankly, Muslims in Muslim countries dont give a dam what Christians think about the hatred and intolerance Muslims have toward Christians.

Please see Pretentious Philosophy Student's first comment in this thread.

[WD-40]

Well, if they could keep the burkas/veils on, it would certainly give them an 'edge' should they decide to rob a bank. But that's really the only thing that comes to mind. It also narrows down the possibilities of where the suicide bomb explosion might come from.
Oh...and to reiterate what Kren said, I suppose it'd be nice if the Muslims showed some tolerance of Christianity in Muslim countries. We can have all the tolerance we can muster, but quite frankly, Muslims in Muslim countries dont give a dam what Christians think about the hatred and intolerance Muslims have toward Christians.

Please see Pretentious Philosophy Student's first comment in this thread.

No!...I absolutely refuse to do so!...furthermore, it was said 'tongue-in-cheek'. But the one thing I said, that cannot be denied is the hypocrisy of many Muslim countries against Christians. Burn a Quran, innocent people get murdered. They burn a Bible, nothing will happen. If you speak out against their Prophet Muhammed, you get hunted down and killed (it's happened more than once!). If they speak out against Christ or Chritianity, nothing will happen. We're just so wonderfully tolerant. But wait! It's not enough. Perhaps, we should behaive more like the 'Muslim' countries when their teachings conflict with other religions.