The God Damned Gun Control Thread

[Dad]

Dad,

I once shared with you the solution to your problems:



look at number 2 --

Like I said, if you want to move here, I'll completely support you (place to stay, help find you a job, etc)... just say the word.....

Thanks Nite. My daughters will be grown in a year and a half ([m'kay] yeah!) and then, I'm out. Being a member of a union, I can work anywhere there is a union in the world. Being a master electrician, I can work anywhere in the world (everyone needs power). I'm thinking Switzerland maybe. A buddy of mine has been telling me to get my ass there.....

[Darth Crater]

I nearly missed your actual response, since it was just edited into my post with no indications of such. Snopes is not a political website - it's dedicated to confirming or debunking things on the internet. I don't know where you got the "armed robbery" thing but it's not relevant to my point or to anything I linked. Scientific journals are not mass media.

I really would like to see you actually back up your argument with some real data - specific countries and their changes in crime rates. Please don't tear down my respect for you and set it ablaze like this.

[WD-40]

Which is something entirely separate from the discussion we were currently having.

Also, we already covered this. The solution is not to elect Nazis.

The solution is to not elect 'Progressives' who will take your Constitutional Rights away, nor to even give them the opportunity to do so in the first place. That will help prevent any so-called Nazis or other future Dictator-types from getting any consolidated power to do real harm. But we still elect Progressives who want to bankrupt us as well, so they found another way to cause mayhem.

[haasd0gg]

Take the guns away from law abiding citizens and get this every day. Why not?


Man protecting wife, kids from home invaders shot dead, family says
By Julia Bagg and Brian Hamacher, NBCMiami.com

February 13, 2013, 9:09 pm


A Miami man who tried to protect his wife and daughter from a pair of home invaders was shot and killed early Wednesday, family members said.

Miami Police say they're looking for two heavily armed suspects who ambushed the family inside their home in the area of Northwest 16th Avenue and 44th Street.

"We call these two men beasts," Miami Police spokeswoman Kenia Reyes said.

Family members said 36-year-old Maurice Harris and his wife and 11-year-old daughter were inside the home when the two men broke in around midnight.

"We are all numb, in disbelief," said Harris' mother-in-law, Annie Streeter, who said her daughter and Harris had been married for 14 years.

According to Streeter, Harris was shot after he stepped in to stop one of the men who aimed his weapon at his daughter.

"Someone took the gun and put it to her head and like, had them hostage there," she said.

The men shot Harris, who was rushed to Ryder Trauma Center where he was later pronounced dead.

"I was like in disbelief that something like this could happen, cause they're a loving family," Streeter said. "The one thing I do know, that he gave his life trying to save his family."

Police said they're looking for the suspects and are asking anyone with information to call Miami-Dade Crime Stoppers at 305-471-TIPS.

[Col. Hstar]

Take the guns away from law abiding citizens and get this every day. Why not?
Man protecting wife, kids from home invaders shot dead, family says
By Julia Bagg and Brian Hamacher, NBCMiami.com
February 13, 2013, 9:09 pm
A Miami man who tried to protect his wife and daughter from a pair of home invaders was shot and killed early Wednesday, family members said.
Miami Police say they're looking for two heavily armed suspects who ambushed the family inside their home in the area of Northwest 16th Avenue and 44th Street.
"We call these two men beasts," Miami Police spokeswoman Kenia Reyes said.
Family members said 36-year-old Maurice Harris and his wife and 11-year-old daughter were inside the home when the two men broke in around midnight.
"We are all numb, in disbelief," said Harris' mother-in-law, Annie Streeter, who said her daughter and Harris had been married for 14 years.
According to Streeter, Harris was shot after he stepped in to stop one of the men who aimed his weapon at his daughter.
"Someone took the gun and put it to her head and like, had them hostage there," she said.
The men shot Harris, who was rushed to Ryder Trauma Center where he was later pronounced dead.
"I was like in disbelief that something like this could happen, cause they're a loving family," Streeter said. "The one thing I do know, that he gave his life trying to save his family."
Police said they're looking for the suspects and are asking anyone with information to call Miami-Dade Crime Stoppers at 305-471-TIPS.

It's easy enough to find sad stories for each side of the argument. Although I would like to know how having a gun would have helped? He was shot when he reacted to the intruder threatening his daughter. They were already held hostage, at that point he would have been disarmed. This doesn't prove owning a gun makes you safer, it's just a sad tragic story.

2 Weeks ago
http://www.kristv.com/news/police-homeo ... -invasion/
CORPUS CHRISTI - Corpus Christi police officers armed with rifles were patrolling the 1000 block of Deforrest Street looking for a possible suspect in a home invasion this afternoon.

The 24-year-old homeowner, identified by family as Nick Kelley, showed up at an area hospital with a gunshot wound to the shoulder.

He told police he was shot when he walked in on a home invasion at his own place. At least two shots were fired during the incident.

We're hearing the homeowner was shot with his own weapon by an intruder wearing a ski mask.

Officers did arrive at the home to find the back door wide open.

Kelley lives at the home with his wife and two children who were not home at the time

[WD-40]

I think you missed the point Homestar. The full story wasnt presented. He likely didn't 'own' a gun (like if your gun rights were taken away), because had he owned the gun, he would certainly have heard them break in and fired shots to hold them off while the wife called 911 an hid with their daughter till police arrive if they weren't already scared off. Thugs don't give a damn about gun laws and they are always looking for easy, defenseless prey.

The story you presented seems to be about someone who may have owned a gun but wasn't trained to use it, or shoulda just barricaded themselves in a room with it. Maybe they tried to go after the invaded and was caught off guard, instead of just announcing they have a gun and they called the police.

Remember the story of the 'armed' woman home alone with her daughter that shot and killed the intruder that broke in to her home and climbed up into the attic after them? If she wasn't armed, shed have probably been raped, and likely would also have been killed...her daughter way have been killed too.

Better to have a gun and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

[MATTHEW'S_DAD]

Take the guns away from law abiding citizens and get this every day. Why not?
Man protecting wife, kids from home invaders shot dead, family says
By Julia Bagg and Brian Hamacher, NBCMiami.com
February 13, 2013, 9:09 pm
A Miami man who tried to protect his wife and daughter from a pair of home invaders was shot and killed early Wednesday, family members said.
Miami Police say they're looking for two heavily armed suspects who ambushed the family inside their home in the area of Northwest 16th Avenue and 44th Street.
"We call these two men beasts," Miami Police spokeswoman Kenia Reyes said.
Family members said 36-year-old Maurice Harris and his wife and 11-year-old daughter were inside the home when the two men broke in around midnight.
"We are all numb, in disbelief," said Harris' mother-in-law, Annie Streeter, who said her daughter and Harris had been married for 14 years.
According to Streeter, Harris was shot after he stepped in to stop one of the men who aimed his weapon at his daughter.
"Someone took the gun and put it to her head and like, had them hostage there," she said.
The men shot Harris, who was rushed to Ryder Trauma Center where he was later pronounced dead.
"I was like in disbelief that something like this could happen, cause they're a loving family," Streeter said. "The one thing I do know, that he gave his life trying to save his family."
Police said they're looking for the suspects and are asking anyone with information to call Miami-Dade Crime Stoppers at 305-471-TIPS.

It's easy enough to find sad stories for each side of the argument. Although I would like to know how having a gun would have helped? He was shot when he reacted to the intruder threatening his daughter. They were already held hostage, at that point he would have been disarmed. This doesn't prove owning a gun makes you safer, it's just a sad tragic story.

2 Weeks ago
http://www.kristv.com/news/police-homeo ... -invasion/
CORPUS CHRISTI - Corpus Christi police officers armed with rifles were patrolling the 1000 block of Deforrest Street looking for a possible suspect in a home invasion this afternoon.

The 24-year-old homeowner, identified by family as Nick Kelley, showed up at an area hospital with a gunshot wound to the shoulder.

He told police he was shot when he walked in on a home invasion at his own place. At least two shots were fired during the incident.

We're hearing the homeowner was shot with his own weapon by an intruder wearing a ski mask.

Officers did arrive at the home to find the back door wide open.

Kelley lives at the home with his wife and two children who were not home at the time

http://www.kristv.com/news/police-say-m ... -intruder/
lol at your example.....

[MATTHEW'S_DAD]

In 1938, Germany banned Jews from owning firearms. Within the next eight years 6 million Jews were exterminated.

So them having guns would've stopped the Nazis? Didn't Nazi Germany successfully invade French and Russian territory? I'm pretty sure those countries had armies with lots and lots of guns. You're fooling yourself if you think a Jewish person would have fared better in 1938 Nazi Germany simply by having a gun.

Dude, the first problem is that if you knew anything about pre WW2 Germany then you would understand that if the German Jewish population had been left with a means to protect themselves that the Nazi machine would've been severely hampered and perhaps the British and French would've been pushed over the edge to join in and assist the resistant Germans (Jews included) in putting out the Nazi fire before it really got going.

The second problem that you've missed is that gun control was enacted on a populace in order to make their extermination easier. It's a prerequisite so to speak of what was to come. Obviously Obama, the British and the Australians don't want to exterminate their people by enacting gun restrictions, but I feel it's a very short sighted solution to a problem that's NOT going away. That problem is our violent nature.

You can feed a wolf all the fruits and vegetables you want, but that wolf will still have his teeth and the desire to consume the sheep when given a chance.

[Dad]

I nearly missed your actual response, since it was just edited into my post with no indications of such. Snopes is not a political website - it's dedicated to confirming or debunking things on the internet. I don't know where you got the "armed robbery" thing but it's not relevant to my point or to anything I linked. Scientific journals are not mass media.

I really would like to see you actually back up your argument with some real data - specific countries and their changes in crime rates. Please don't tear down my respect for you and set it ablaze like this.

Follow the money. Snopes is a political website.

I got the "armed robbery" thing from someone who lives outside of London. Firearmed robbery went down or leveled off. Armed robbery, as defined in Britain, went soaring. She called me, very concerned, because I work in some dangerous neighborhoods. Her husband told me all about how bold criminals became after the gun ban, as he is a retired "bobby".

Scientific journals are fully capable of bias.

If my real life experience and contact with the outside world is going to tear down and set ablaze your respect for me, so be it. I can search, copy and paste all kinds of things. That doesn't make them true. I would have to copy and paste facts and figures, then copy and paste some disproving those, the copy and paste some proving those and so on and so forth.

I lived in one of the most dangerous areas of north Las Vegas when I was out there. It's a state with a "castle law". Good thing too, I had two break in attempts while I was there. I have first hand knowledge of the deterrent that an armed citizen can be to criminals. When I went back last year, I drove past my old apartment (scared the pee out of my buddy just driving through). The doors were torn off the hinges, air conditioners were torn out of cinder block walls and gang graffiti was painted all over the inside and out side of the building.

This is what I base my arguments on. How about you present me with some real world facts and first hand experiences?

[MATTHEW'S_DAD]

This is what I base my arguments on. How about you present me with some real world facts and first hand experiences?

I've also presented this in other threads on other subjects (healthcare, etc). Real world experience is everything and that's hard to comprehend until you reach a certain age. I come here and post in the hopes that some of these young guys can be exposed to a "different" viewpoint by what I hope is a respected individual. (go ahead Son & DOF, I teed the ball up for you, knock it out of the park )