Why MT doesn't believe in this.

[Yanoda]

well for one there were over 100 prophecies in the bible that have come true.

Again, please give concise examples. You failed give concise examples in showing that the Bible is 100% truth as well in your previous post. So far, your statements are just baseless.

Cheers

Yanoda

[(SWGO)SirPepsi]

@Minas_Thirith: Try this link. It is short, but provides concise information. http://www.evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-proofs-evolution

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

@Sirpepsi

Since ya'll love to necro the [poo] out of this ill have to give this all the reply i didn't want to give.
For starters http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html is pretty much full with false assumptions made on an uncomplete study.
For starters the first mistake is:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5). 2:17

However 1 day for god is 1000 years for us it didn't say if the day would be for the human or for god, so basicly he died in "1000" years wich is in the same day that god said he would die, if you want ill respond to the other 230 "mistakes" in the bible, and then yanny can has his 50 page dream come true.
About your "truth" in books like the quran, have you ever read them? the quran is based, again BASED on the OT of the bible.
Also the quran basses itself on the eldest son of one of noah's son's even tough in Gen:20-27 you can read where they went wrong.
Also at the end of the "quran" it says(if i translate it right) that if there are doubts you sould seek counsil in the bible......

About "what created god?" if you would have read previos posts you wouldn't be even asking that questions.
Like i said before, the bible states that "god" is "eternal" if you look up eternal you will see "something without a beginning and without an end"
Was time created? or is it eternal?

Now the next thing your stating was stated A FEW TIMES in this thread before.
Saying that, "it must have happened else we would not be here" is not a viable option.
You see there are more theories then the evolution theory, and since you after 25 Pages haven't read it yet ill say the 3 things again and on what they are based:

1- Creationism:
Seeing the inteligent design some people thing a far more inteligent design created us, with this they base themselfs on the bible saying it's "gods" word.

2- Evolution
People that cannot create life think life created itself.
They believe that at some point in time a massive movement of energy happened, wich created space and everything in it over millions of years wich puts our earth, the only planet found that can have life on it.
After some time due to the elements that there were on life we go from a non-biological chemical to a basic self replicating cell, wich eventually evolved into a complex cell, this cell evolved into a fish wich evolved into a mamel wich evoled into the only inteligent(more like concient) life form on earth.

3- We don't know
Simple some thing humans have yet to find out.

Now Even tough the evolution theory has "some point" you can say whatever you want in this but iv'e found out that:
creationists wich to show/exploit "odds" to random life, while evolucionists wish to hide it.

However evolution leaves many questions unanswered....
We are concient, why?
We know what's right or wrong, why?
We have emotions, why?
There is no answer for the question how our "design" came to be, the DNA is simply...well you would almost say flawless...
I could keep going and going and sum up thousands of things wich would end up in some dude posting a facepalm picture and me quoting a bible passage wich warns for situacions like this.
Anyhow sorry for the dread like post

MT

[IJO sha-quan-jone]

where did you get this 1 day for God is 1000 stuff, that is nowhere in the Bible. God has no age he is ever living.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

where did you get this 1 day for God is 1000 stuff, that is nowhere in the Bible. God has no age he is ever living.

I did not say god has "an age" if you read my previos post you can read i said "eternal" no beginning and no end.
And it is in the bible:

2 Peter 3:8 "However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day."

[haasd0gg]

One day with your mom is 1000 years for a man...

[Darth Crater]

Hmm, time for me to try contributing a bit more. Sorry for the length of this.

@Sirpepsi

Since ya'll love to necro the [poo] out of this ill have to give this all the reply i didn't want to give.
For starters http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html is pretty much full with false assumptions made on an uncomplete study.
For starters the first mistake is:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5). 2:17

However 1 day for god is 1000 years for us it didn't say if the day would be for the human or for god, so basicly he died in "1000" years wich is in the same day that god said he would die, if you want ill respond to the other 230 "mistakes" in the bible, and then yanny can has his 50 page dream come true.

I read that particular passage (in context) as "From the day you eat of the tree onward, you'll become able to die." While the "days as a metaphor for longer periods of time" works for the creation story, dragging it into this doesn't seem a good idea to me. I will agree that that site seems rather pedantic and literal at times.

About "what created god?" if you would have read previos posts you wouldn't be even asking that questions.
Like i said before, the bible states that "god" is "eternal" if you look up eternal you will see "something without a beginning and without an end"
Was time created? or is it eternal?

Fair enough; your argument requires the existence of a being that violates the behavior of the universe as we know it anyway. On this topic, one of my classes for the quarter should be covering the Big Bang in depth, so in a couple months I'll be better equipped if anyone still wants to discuss that.

Now the next thing your stating was stated A FEW TIMES in this thread before.
Saying that, "it must have happened else we would not be here" is not a viable option.
You see there are more theories then the evolution theory, and since you after 25 Pages haven't read it yet ill say the 3 things again and on what they are based:

1- Creationism:
Seeing the inteligent design some people thing a far more inteligent design created us, with this they base themselfs on the bible saying it's "gods" word.

2- Evolution
People that cannot create life think life created itself.
They believe that at some point in time a massive movement of energy happened, wich created space and everything in it over millions of years wich puts our earth, the only planet found that can have life on it.
After some time due to the elements that there were on life we go from a non-biological chemical to a basic self replicating cell, wich eventually evolved into a complex cell, this cell evolved into a fish wich evolved into a mamel wich evoled into the only inteligent(more like concient) life form on earth.

3- We don't know
Simple some thing humans have yet to find out.

Now Even tough the evolution theory has "some point" you can say whatever you want in this but iv'e found out that:
creationists wich to show/exploit "odds" to random life, while evolucionists wish to hide it.

The evidence we have collected on the origin of life points to evolution, so far, which is why it's the accepted theory. If a theory is proposed that better explains our evidence than the theory of evolution, all the competent scientists will begin believing in that theory instead. Proof isn't necessary (though it would be nice) - all that ers is having a workable explanation so that we can explain what happened and predict future results.

There are two ways in which a higher power could have influenced the development of life. First, it could have subtly caused chance to fall such that the right molecules came together at the right times, the right mutations occurred, etc. There's no way to tell this apart from the regular theory of evolution, and no point in trying to. The other way would be by direct, blatant intervention such as forcibly manipulating atoms into the shape of life, creating higher life, etc. It's rather useless to assume this since not only does it differ from the world today (in which we have no direct evidence of higher powers manipulating reality on that scale), it also doesn't tell us anything useful about the world. "Life can arise under these circumstances" lets us recreate those circumstances and attempt to replicate the result, or focus our search for life on areas that have those circumstances. "God can create life from nothing" doesn't do anything of the sort.

Now Even tough the evolution theory has "some point" you can say whatever you want in this but iv'e found out that:
creationists wich to show/exploit "odds" to random life, while evolucionists wish to hide it.

However evolution leaves many questions unanswered....
We are concient, why?
We know what's right or wrong, why?
We have emotions, why?
There is no answer for the question how our "design" came to be, the DNA is simply...well you would almost say flawless...
I could keep going and going and sum up thousands of things wich would end up in some dude posting a facepalm picture and me quoting a bible passage wich warns for situacions like this.
Anyhow sorry for the dread like post

MT

What I've seen is that creationists are willing to make up or radically inflate the odds without a clear understanding of the processes involved, while most scientists are unable to determine the odds with enough confidence to state a specific number (or even specific order of magnitude). There's only one circumstance under which those odds actually er at all - when another theory explains the evidence as well as evolution does, we could estimate the odds to see which was more likely to occur.

I'm not sure what you mean by "concient". The closest meaningful word I can come up with is "sapient", which basically means "able to reason, use logic, etc". Humans are sapient, and some other species (dolphins, some apes) are possibly sapient as well. We are sapient because our brains are sufficiently well-developed to function in that way.

"Right and wrong" are half survival technique, half social construct. We dislike some things (like killing fellow members of our species) because it's harmful to a group of humans trying to survive. Note that evolution explains this - humans who did not care about each other would be less able to band together for protection, and thus more likely to die. We dislike other things (like keeping humans as slaves) because our culture believes them to be wrong and so we were raised that way.

[(SWGO)SirPepsi]

@Sirpepsi

Since ya'll love to necro the [poo] out of this ill have to give this all the reply i didn't want to give.
For starters http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html is pretty much full with false assumptions made on an uncomplete study.
For starters the first mistake is:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5). 2:17

However 1 day for god is 1000 years for us it didn't say if the day would be for the human or for god, so basicly he died in "1000" years wich is in the same day that god said he would die, if you want ill respond to the other 230 "mistakes" in the bible, and then yanny can has his 50 page dream come true.
About your "truth" in books like the quran, have you ever read them? the quran is based, again BASED on the OT of the bible.
Also the quran basses itself on the eldest son of one of noah's son's even tough in Gen:20-27 you can read where they went wrong.
Also at the end of the "quran" it says(if i translate it right) that if there are doubts you sould seek counsil in the bible......

About "what created god?" if you would have read previos posts you wouldn't be even asking that questions.
Like i said before, the bible states that "god" is "eternal" if you look up eternal you will see "something without a beginning and without an end"
Was time created? or is it eternal?

Now the next thing your stating was stated A FEW TIMES in this thread before.
Saying that, "it must have happened else we would not be here" is not a viable option.
You see there are more theories then the evolution theory, and since you after 25 Pages haven't read it yet ill say the 3 things again and on what they are based:

1- Creationism:
Seeing the inteligent design some people thing a far more inteligent design created us, with this they base themselfs on the bible saying it's "gods" word.

2- Evolution
People that cannot create life think life created itself.
They believe that at some point in time a massive movement of energy happened, wich created space and everything in it over millions of years wich puts our earth, the only planet found that can have life on it.
After some time due to the elements that there were on life we go from a non-biological chemical to a basic self replicating cell, wich eventually evolved into a complex cell, this cell evolved into a fish wich evolved into a mamel wich evoled into the only inteligent(more like concient) life form on earth.

3- We don't know
Simple some thing humans have yet to find out.

Now Even tough the evolution theory has "some point" you can say whatever you want in this but iv'e found out that:
creationists wich to show/exploit "odds" to random life, while evolucionists wish to hide it.

However evolution leaves many questions unanswered....
We are concient, why?
We know what's right or wrong, why?
We have emotions, why?
There is no answer for the question how our "design" came to be, the DNA is simply...well you would almost say flawless...
I could keep going and going and sum up thousands of things wich would end up in some dude posting a facepalm picture and me quoting a bible passage wich warns for situacions like this.
Anyhow sorry for the dread like post

MT

You missed the point of my other post. Our DNA is NOT flawless; if it was we would all live forever and there would be no conflict.

And you ask all these question "we are conscious, why?". Firstly, the process of evolution is studying all of this currently. But you do not see the errors in your questions. They can all be applied to creationism as well. "Why do we have emotions?" I haven't heard that answered in the Bible.

And I said truths in Quran, etc. That means multiple other books. But you look at them from a different viewpoint, since you already are sure of what you believe, you are skeptical of everything else. Besides, when I look at these books, I don't look at the stories in them as fact. In the Hindu book the Mahabharat, I don't believe those stories ever happened(or happened the way it's told), but I believe in the message taught.

Also, the difference between Science and Religion is this: Religion "knows" the truth, so it denies everything else. Science "knows the truth, but is willing to do more research and CHANGE their view if something new is discovered. Science is ever-changing, and while evolution may not have ALL the answers yet, it is forming a picture.

Read this entire website: http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm It explains, in some detail, what evolution is, and the proof of it. There are four main subcategories under the "How do we know it has occurred?" section. I highly recommend reading all of those.

[Yanoda]

If the Bible has been written by man with God's guidance, then why isn't the Bible clear in its message?
Why is the Bible so open to interpretation (especially with translations)?
In ancient times, people thought lightning was a sign of God's wrath/power. They didn't understand how lightning formed and due to its destructive power, assumed that God(s) create them. In the mid 18th Century, humans have understood that lightning is an electrical discharge. In 1900, Nikola Tesla was able to reproduce artificial lightning. Today, we understand a lot more about lightning.
Why didn't the Bible give a clear description of how lightning forms?

Cheers

Yanoda

[haasd0gg]

25 pages. Did you guys figure out the roots of creation yet? No? K, lemme know