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We had a topic about this awhile back if I remember correctly.
Saw this today-
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37653837/ns/politics-washington_post/
Lacking a leader, they say.
Matt?.....

Well dOgg, what bothers me the most about the article, is the fact that it's an MSNBC report. It's about as worthless as any report coming from CNN or NBC. All are Uber-Liberal rags that would do 'anything' to screw up any conservative agenda or movement, including lying and misrepresenting the facts. The Tea Party movement doesn't have a single leader for a good reason. It's the voice of the people, and this allows it to spread across the US more quickly, versus control by some single-minded agenda driven political machine. The TPers want honesty and Democracy in government. it's working, And that scares the Liberals and the Liberal news stations.

Interesting article haas, i'm curious how this will affect the primaries for both parties.

Concerning the bias of the article, sure it may have some liberal bias. But even conservative news station/papers have their own bias. So, one cannot claim either one is fully telling the truth. From what I have read from both sides is that they both claim the other is "lying" and "misrepresenting" the facts. That also includes agendas, each side tries to support their agenda and hinder the opposing agenda. From your post WD-40, one would say that you have conservative-bias, which doesn't make you better than the liberals as you claim. I say, both sides are at fault for abandoning the original concept of news, which is informing the public objectively without leaning towards a political point of view.
From what I understand is that the article has some validity. By which I mean is that the current political system is heavily concentrated on two political sides Democrat/Liberal & Republican/Conservative and each side needs leaders and representatives to promote 'their' agenda. This could slow the TP movement substantially because their philosophy of how government should be run is different from the current 2 party government. People have very diverse view points, unfortunately some views are not shared and disagreements occur. I think that is what the article was trying to get across. The 2 party system tried to simplify that, which made each side very influential and corrupt.
Only time will tell...

Peace

Yanoda wrote:
From your post WD-40, one would say that you have conservative-bias, which doesn't make you better than the liberals as you claim.

Yonoda...Liberals are Anti-God. They have managed to kick God out of schools, out of the courtrooms, and out of Congress. They are pro-anything that detracts from what the founding Fathers of America intended. Quite literally, they are enemies of the Constitution. John F. Kennedy would be considered a 'Conservative' by todays standards of thinking. Democrats are not in the same arena as Liberals today.
Regarding news stations and papers leaning left or right...yes , they do. Fox News leans conservative, but they are fair and report the truth. No spin. Every other Cable news network leans Liberal. But MSNBC is a joke.

Yes...I consider myself BETTER than Liberals, because I am a 'Patriot'!! I give a dam about America. I don't care who's in office or what party they are affiliated, as long as they are pro-America and Pro-Democracy. I'm not unreasonable, I'm just realistic.

WD-40 wrote:Yonoda...Liberals are Anti-God. They have managed to kick God out of schools, out of the courtrooms, and out of Congress.

Is that a bad thing? I thought that there should have been a separation of church and state in government. Many countries who do not have religion in government are no more corrupt that those that do. Also, the Global Peace Index indicates that less religious countries are more peaceful than religious countries. The GPI evaluates the peacefulness of a nation based on 23 criteria. Yes, it's fairly new and one should not jump into conclusions but it is an initial indicator. We shall see how the scores compare in the next years.

WD-40 wrote:Quite literally, they are enemies of the Constitution.

That's a harsh statement. A liberal by definition is open to progress and reform. So I can not blame them for following their agenda. I can also understand their view point that the Constitution (213 years old if my math is correct) is not sufficient for todays world (media, foreign policy, technology etc...) and needs to be adjusted accordingly. Even 200 years ago much of Europe was still a Monarchy. If they would have kept the majority of the system, I bet many Americans would find it ridiculous. Don't cha think?

WD-40 wrote:Regarding news stations and papers leaning left or right...yes , they do. Fox News leans conservative, but they are fair and report the truth. No spin. Every other Cable news network leans Liberal. But MSNBC is a joke.

This is a er of opinion. I read an article (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/156347.php) talking about how the majority of people tend to favor like-minded views over opposing views. Based on your comments, one could say that you prefer conservative view points and avoid contrary views. This in turn makes people less open to new ideas and less willing to compromise. I say this for both sides of the political spectrum.

WD-40 wrote: Yes...I consider myself BETTER than Liberals, because I am a 'Patriot'!! I give a dam about America. I don't care who's in office or what party they are affiliated, as long as they are pro-America and Pro-Democracy. I'm not unreasonable, I'm just realistic.

So a liberal cannot be a Patriot either? I have several friends and relatives who are liberal and are patriots. I dislike the logic that anyone who does not have the same view as others is considered unpatriotic and as an enemy. By pro-America and pro-Democracy, you mean the conservative view point? Am I right?
I thought that the United States of America was founded on the intention of bringing many ideas/views and people together. This constant partisanship is what I say is the real culprit, but one cannot fix this by just undermining the other view point. If we start to think about our similarities rather than our differences, I am sure that there will be less disputes and bickering.

I see things almost the opposite of most conservatives. I think the government has done nothing but move rightward for the last twenty years. The last two Democratic administrations have had conservative policies, and I think this is mainly due to the rise is corporate funded campaigns and strength of their powerful lobbies. Nearly every economic policy since Jimmy Carter has been about strengthening corporate power and consolidating wealth into fewer and fewer hands.

I get between 0% and 0% of my news from cable TV - and think all the networks like CNN, MSNBC, and Fox are about entertainment and selling advertising, not helping keep an informed citizenry.

Okay, so maybe I was a bit harsh about Liberals. I'm sure you can find a fair share of Patriotic ones out there. But the Progressives and Liberals are directly responsible for God being removed from our Nations psyche. The founding of our Nation was nothing short of a miracle due to the immense political obstacles that it faced. Before the U.S., Democracy had never been tried before in history, and it was literally a miracle that it worked.
Bottom line is that I worry that If we remove God enough, we will lose that bond of 'One Nation under God'. It seems those words are offensive to many Liberals and Progressives, and if we continue down that path, we as a Nation will lose our spirit.
I know you disagree. That's okay. And I do believe finding commonality between political parties is very important. Sorry if I've offended anyone, but politics are a hot button for me. I just hate the direction we're headed...Socialism.

politicians and *ahem* "One nation under God"?

don't get me started.....

Yes I know it's an american subject but it's interesting to see some of the comments:

WD-40 wrote;
Before the U.S., Democracy had never been tried before in history, and it was literally a miracle that it worked

I would have to disagree with you on that. Democracy has been about for a long time, say the fourth century BC by the Greek nations. It worked there and has continued since it was introduced. There's also various type of democracy out there btw (Representative democracy (USA), Parliamentary democracy (UK), Liberal democracy and Direct democracy as a few examples). Democracy also came to fluourish in Europe say in the French Revolution is another example. In England Democracy took-off after the bill of rights in the late 1689. You might want to rethink your statement.

WD-40 wrote;
The founding of our Nation was nothing short of a miracle due to the immense political obstacles that it faced.

The founding of your nation by the indigenous peoples of the U.S. mainland prior to being colonised however I take it you mean after the war of independance onwards? When the Americas were still part of the British colonies this is really where the politicial process was created and developed and resulted in the war and the break from Britain. From there it was cultivated and refined all the way up to the modern day through the struggles of your nation.

WD-40 wrote;
Bottom line is that I worry that If we remove God enough, we will lose that bond of 'One Nation under God'. It seems those words are offensive to many Liberals and Progressives, and if we continue down that path, we as a Nation will lose our spirit.

I'd be curious to understand if the statement 'One Nation under God' has been the driving force to the USA considering the words came into existence in 1954 or so after the pledge of allegiance was modified to include the 'under God' bit. That's a mere 56 years that it has been part of the pledge, this has given the patriotic oath and a public prayer element to the USA. So if you are saying this phrase is going to keep your country together then how did it survive for the past couple of hundred years without it? Many nations now are multi-culture and within each ethnic group there will be the religious/non religious. If you simply think religious people are keeping your nation together I'd say think again.

The news is spun in all countries, take it with a pinch of salt as there's more entertainment etc being introduced to engage viewers and have them lean towards a political party or view. All political parties have agendas and leak items to engage the public be that for their own gains or to discredit the other party and that is not going to end anytime soon.

Regards,

Kren.

Okay. I give up. You all are right, I the conservative American am wrong. Signing off from this subject. Your victory!