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How I cut my yearly bills in half (or better).

Postby Dad » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:33 pm

Ever since I was kid, I watched service providers jack up prices while cutting quality. I watched everyone around me take loans and credit cards to buy stuff they didn't need and couldn't afford. I resolved at about 10 or 12 years old that I would not get my pinky caught in the "machine" of debt, high utility bills and "keeping up with the Jone's". You younger guys should pay very close attention.

I have never taken out a loan or got myself saddled with a credit card. Credit is a HUGE scam in this country and only serves to make the credit card companies and banks rich. You absolutely can get a mortgage to buy a home with no credit, you just need at least 20% down. Yes the rate will be higher, but, after 3 years or so, you can refinance and get the same rate as everyone else. Repairs? Do them yourself. It's not rocket science. Afraid of electricity? Turn the power off before touching anything. Afraid of poop water? There are waterproof, disposable suits for that. For a very small amount of money, you can buy the how to books and a small amount of wire and pipe to experiment with until you get it right. If you can't use a level and swing a hammer, shoot yourself, you are polluting the gene-pool. Same goes for cars. Want a new one? Save the money and buy it outright. Need it now? You should have thought and planned ahead. A beater can be bought for $500 or less and will last as long as you care to keep it running. Routine maintenance and simple repairs such as exhaust, brakes and tune ups can be done by the most mechanically deficient person out there. The day you buy a car is the day you buy the repair manual for that car. The cost for tools for all these things is roughly $3000 to $5000, if you buy new. Take care of those tools and you will never have to buy them again.

I took a guess the other day based on all the home and car repairs I have done throughout my life. I have saved around $150000 in mechanic and tradesman labor costs.

I own a 1999 chevy pick up and a 2007 saturn ion, both of which were bought in cash. (I even turned the tables on Mr. Slick Salesman with the truck. Saved $2000.)

You need heat, electricity, food and water. You want T.V. and internet. You are required to have insurance. Heat? Wood burning stove. Yes, it's a lot of work,but you'll always be in good shape. (That also cuts out the cost of a gym.) I live in an area surrounded by woods so I don't pay for heat. The cost of buying wood for the season is about 3 times cheaper than oil, 5 times cheaper than propane and 10 times cheaper than electric heat. Just make sure your pipes are not going to freeze. There are a dozen ways of ensuring that. Solar panels and wind turbines are becoming cheaper and more efficient. Plant a garden, fish and hunt. This cuts yearly food costs dramatically. Water is only cheap if you have a well. As for hot water, I recommend propane with no electrical connection. That is the most efficient I have found and no worries about power outages. Also, use the propane for cooking. I bought my own propane tanks and get them filled my self at about 1/3 the price of the gas companies. T.V.? I hate it. It has become unwatchable in the last 10 years. I am switching to the roku box. Internet is the only thing I haven't figured how to get cheaper, yet. Home owners insurance is a given, just make sure you list and keep up with the contents of your home. In the event of a loss, you'll be covered for everything. Car insurance is waaaaaay cheaper when you own the car. Forget all that theft and collision crap, liability is all you need.

One last tip. A college degree is becoming more and more worthless in this country. Unless you get a degree in a field that will actually pay off, don't waste the time and money. Learn a trade is my advice. Things will ALWAYS have to be built and fixed. I do better than any 2 of my college graduate friends, with a few exceptions.

It took me far longer than it could have to get to this point, but that's the price of having kids with the wrong person. I wouldn't change a thing.

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Re: How I cut my yearly bills in half (or better).

Postby CommanderOtto » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:19 pm

it's all good advice. Although I don't think credit here is bad... if comparing credit here in the U.S with the rest of the world, it is good here. Interest rates are so m'kay low it's almost free money (I know this might sound crazy but you wouldn't believe the interest rates we have to pay out there). The key is to not overuse your credit. I would only use it for buying a car and my house, nothing else (never using credit for buying things like buying computers, tv's and other crap). But of course, if you can stay away from credit, that's always best. And yeah, TV has been such {poo} lately that I don't even turn it on anymore. And something more, I think your idea of living out of the city is so good. I don't understand why everyone wants to move to Chicago or New York when the U.S has such great towns where everything is cheaper.


EDIT: regarding credit for cars, you can always lease something like a ford fiesta, very cheap.
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Re: How I cut my yearly bills in half (or better).

Postby NiteRunner81 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:26 pm

Dad has the big stuff covered... if anyone wants money saving tips for the small stuff (home made laundry soap, foaming hand soap, baby stuff, etc).. I'm your go to gal...

But first...
One big hot button issue in my family right now -- parent loans for college -- DO NOT DO PRIVATE BANK LOANS FOR YOUR KIDS DESPITE HOW MUCH YOU LOVE THEM.... especially if you are older parents. My parents are in their mid-late 50's and I have a 15 year old brother.... if for some reason your child does not pay back the loan they can garnish your social security, wages, whatever they can to get their money...

now for my smaller tips...

laundry soap -- with 3 ingredients you can make a HUGE batch (5gal bucket) of cheap laundry soap that will last you an epically long time. (Fels Naptha, Washing Soda, Borax).. if you don't want to do the liquid method you can grind up the fels naptha bar and add the washing soda and borax and use a measuring spoon and use it as a powder .... still lasts a long time..

Now for the big scam -- foaming hand soap --

I have many other tips for household stuff... but these ones are the ones that will save you money FAST....
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Re: How I cut my yearly bills in half (or better).

Postby CommanderOtto » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:29 pm

DO NOT DO PRIVATE BANK LOANS FOR YOUR KIDS DESPITE HOW MUCH YOU LOVE THEM.


totally true. nice website by the way, i'll do some reading.
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Re: How I cut my yearly bills in half (or better).

Postby Matt-Chicago » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:33 pm

Nice tips especially if you live in a rural area.

As for college - my son is three months and I've already started a "Brightstart" tax free college savings program for him. We'll see how that works out. I'm for combing skilled trades and a college degree. I interned through college and learned way more than I did in my classes.
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Re: How I cut my yearly bills in half (or better).

Postby Dad » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:26 pm

As much as I enjoy visiting city areas, I could never live there. Too noisy, too crowded, too hostile.

I live in a fairly secluded (for NJ) private lake community. I shoot BB guns off my deck, ride my Polaris Ranger on the streets while waving to everyone and tend bar at a day long music festival in my buddy's yard up the street once a year. There is a pizza and pub (real Italian food, only available in NJ and NY) about a mile away that I can get to through the woods, if I want. There are a few annoying people here. I kill them with kindness (with one exception) and it drives them up a wall. Everyone else is pretty laid back. Although my reasons for moving back here sucked ass, there couldn't be a more perfect place to live.

I have to drive an hour or more to work and back, but it's well worth it. I'm an electrician, so, most people are leaving for work when I am starting work. No traffic.

You have to be happy with where you live. Work sucks bad enough without having to live where you hate it.
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Re: How I cut my yearly bills in half (or better).

Postby haasd0gg » Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:53 pm

We have real Italian food in ri, as well. Just sayin
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Re: How I cut my yearly bills in half (or better).

Postby NiteRunner81 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:12 pm

Matt-Chicago wrote:Nice tips especially if you live in a rural area.

As for college - my son is three months and I've already started a "Brightstart" tax free college savings program for him. We'll see how that works out. I'm for combing skilled trades and a college degree. I interned through college and learned way more than I did in my classes.


GOOD MAN!!!!!!! Caboose and I chose to get associate degrees in computer stuff and it hasn't really done us wrong... add the fact that we were married when we went to college we got grants up the boat... saved us probably $20K in costs for college... and we did accelerated degrees..
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Re: How I cut my yearly bills in half (or better).

Postby CommanderOtto » Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:22 pm

american italian food is very far from the real deal :wacko:
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Re: How I cut my yearly bills in half (or better).

Postby haasd0gg » Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:24 pm

Otto, I dare you to come tell Grandma Dora that she doesn't cook authentic Italian. You will be sleepin wit da fishes.
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