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I read a lot and stumbled across a couple of passages the other day that reminded me of a discussion we were having here at one time regarding America "sticking their nose in other people's business."

The first was in the dairy of Anne Frank...
Monday, May 22nd 1944
The English, despite their bluff, are certainly no more to blame for the war than all the other countries, large and small, that are now occupied by the Germans. The British are not about to offer their excuses; true, they were sleeping during the years Germany was rearming itself, but all the other countries, especially those bordering Germany, were asleep too. England and the rest of the world have discovered that burying your head in the sand doesn't work, and now each of them, especially England, is having to pay a heavy price for its ostrich policy.
http://www.amazon.com/Anne-Frank-Diary- ... 0553296981

The second was in Witness to Nuremberg by Richard Sonnenfeldt....
page 47 about 1/3 of the way down, "Opponents at home and abroad should have realized who the man was (regarding Hitler) and rejected him and squashed him when it would have still been easy to do so, before 1936. Hitler's example convinced me it is advisable to fight tyrants before they become monsters."
http://www.amazon.com/books/dp/1559708166

This is the link on our forum that really stuck out to me. viewtopic.php?f=20&t=5097&start=10 I linked it to page two, because that seemed most relevant.

So do these words written by those who experienced tyrants abroad change anyone's minds regarding American intervention?

I thought that was what the UN was for after WWII, but they haven't done [poo].

Example:
"hey let's liberate the north koreans fron their oppressive government"

"nah bro"

and whether or not we should intervene and all that jazz, how should we go about affording it?

I am with MD on the necessity of getting involved. Tyranny is to the world as cancer is to the body, it spreads...

Truth is, at times it is warranted to get involved, nip it in the bud, instead of letting SHTF.

and now that we're talking about this... i'm very surprised how people in the U.S are oblivious to what is happening in south america. While republicans and democrats continue to fight, the Chinese struck a deal with Nicaragua to build a canal similar to the one in Panama. What happened to the Monroe Doctrine? Obama flushed it down the toilet and now the Chinese are right under your noses. Obama literally threw out the window a policy that has been used by all presidents since 1823. Nothing against Obama... but as I always say, he doesn't know anything about international politics.

CommanderOtto wrote:and now that we're talking about this... i'm very surprised how people in the U.S are oblivious to what is happening in south america. While republicans and democrats continue to fight, the Chinese struck a deal with Nicaragua to build a canal similar to the one in Panama. What happened to the Monroe Doctrine? Obama flushed it down the toilet and now the Chinese are right under your noses. Obama literally threw out the window a policy that has been used by all presidents since 1823. Nothing against Obama... but as I always say, he doesn't know anything about international politics.

Monroe Doctrine says that European countries can't be in South America. Says nothing about China.

JAF wrote:

CommanderOtto wrote:and now that we're talking about this... i'm very surprised how people in the U.S are oblivious to what is happening in south america. While republicans and democrats continue to fight, the Chinese struck a deal with Nicaragua to build a canal similar to the one in Panama. What happened to the Monroe Doctrine? Obama flushed it down the toilet and now the Chinese are right under your noses. Obama literally threw out the window a policy that has been used by all presidents since 1823. Nothing against Obama... but as I always say, he doesn't know anything about international politics.

Monroe Doctrine says that European countries can't be in South America. Says nothing about China.

great find Sherlock. It doesn't er. China was a piece of [poo] during that time and they didn't even bother to mention it so he talked about European powers. The principle behind the Monroe Doctrine was meant to keep all world powers OUT... doesn't er from where.

CommanderOtto wrote:

JAF wrote:

CommanderOtto wrote:and now that we're talking about this... i'm very surprised how people in the U.S are oblivious to what is happening in south america. While republicans and democrats continue to fight, the Chinese struck a deal with Nicaragua to build a canal similar to the one in Panama. What happened to the Monroe Doctrine? Obama flushed it down the toilet and now the Chinese are right under your noses. Obama literally threw out the window a policy that has been used by all presidents since 1823. Nothing against Obama... but as I always say, he doesn't know anything about international politics.

Monroe Doctrine says that European countries can't be in South America. Says nothing about China.

great find Sherlock. It doesn't er. China was a piece of [poo] during that time and they didn't even bother to mention it so he talked about European powers. The principle behind the Monroe Doctrine was meant to keep all world powers OUT... doesn't er from where.

Yes it does er you ignoramus. Do you really think that politics make a lick of sense? If America pushed it, China would attack the wording just like JAF did. And we wouldn't be able to do a thing about it. Politics doesn't give a single solitary [poo] about the "principles" behind declarations, as you should really [m'kay] know before you go jumping down people's throats.

http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/ ... nsion.html

That should clear things up I assume?

I think the problem we need to fix when we go into other countries to provide "backup" or take out tyrants is EFFICIENCY!! We need to figure out how to do all of this in a timely manner that gives our troops a finite amount of exposure to violence (thus reducing their chances at sustaining injuries so severe that it triggers PTSD), and is more fiscally responsible. If other countries ask for help they should be footing some of the bill..

sorry about that Jaf, but if i'm mentioning the monroe doctrine, it should be obvious I know it mentioned Europe. But my point is that it is important. Letting China into the American continent is a major political loss that reflects in trade and economics. If the presidents of today think they are smarter than policies that have proven to be good... then well... we'll see the consequences.

It's like the sentiment people had of the U.K after world war II....