mrjamwin wrote:(SWGO)Kren wrote:So...in my eye's the bible is a collection of many changed texts throughout the ages that has been diluted in many parts by the Church and other influences and is still being changed today with a lot of corruption and killings thrown into the mix.
You'll need to examples to prove this argument.
Ok...
Corruption in the Church:
http://www.churchcorruption.com/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ma ... atholicism
Historical findings
http://www.kencollins.com/bible-p2.htm
(Read the last paragraph about findings relating to certain teachings).
http://history-world.org/a_history_of_t ... church.htm
The above should give you information you are looking for.
Is there a shed of truth in some of the teachings I would like to say 'yes', did Jesus feed the multitude with only a few loaves of bread and two fish...well perhaps that is stretching the imagination it a little bit however again there was most likely some truth in him feeding people at one point in his life.
Well, if you believe in a god or God then you would believe that Jesus was capable of doing such a miracle.Other concerns (Teachings and the Church)
I have no doubt that people will believe in Miracles, just saying that all that was written might have had the truth stretched...just a fraction in this case....and nobody has been able to replicate this since which is a shame as it would have certainly helped with overcoming world food shortages over the years.
Some of the Gospels (non-canonical gospels) were left out of the bible, why? As far as I can gather they contained they expressed unorthodox or heretical views. Examples include the Gospel of Peter, the Gospel of Mary, and the Gospel of Judas but there are only fragments of these remaining. Some gospels could have been destroyed to cover up embarrassing facts about the origins of Christianity perhaps?
Well the councils that put together the New Testament thought so. So you answered your own question. In regards to the other gospels. Maybe you should read them for yourself and see.
My point here was there was other teachings which would give a different view on how things were however somewhere down the line they were removed hence the reason for the story being diluted, split apart, made easier to read or removed due to uncomfortable truths.
The Gospel of Mary contained some gnostic ideas and the prominent role that the gospel gives to a female, this in turn could have led to its removal by orthodox Christians. Why did Mary Magdalene disappear from the New Testament story?
She didn't. She's still in the New Testament. Look
No her name appears but the gospel is missing.
Did Jesus say you had to attend the Church? Well I thought Jesus was of Jewish Origin and according to the bible the reference to worship was along the lines of you did not need priests and Jewish worship is on a Satuday not a Sunday? So why all the focus on a attending a building called a church every Sunday to show worship?
Well the Church if you look at the actual definition means body of believers. The Church building is just that a building and a typical place for believers to worship. Very much like a synagoge. Jesus on many occasions taught in a synagoge. Also the term Christian means followers of Christ. So Jesus was Jewish, he was not a Christian. Jews acknowledge Saturday as the day of rest were as Christians Sunday. It waser of choice given during the Dark Ages.
That was the point, he did not need a place to worship, i.e. a temple however the main forcus on this religion is a church. Again there should be no pre-set day to worship however the majority are now following a dark age practice....sooooooo long ago so clearly things are remembered from the past.
The English word translated “church” in the New Testament is based on the Greek word basically translates to “ekklesia”. If you look up the word in a Greek dictionary, one will find a definition that says something to the effect of “the called out ones”. So in other word he is calling his people to worship where they can and not in a Church. Yeah, yeah I know people go there to worship however I do see how this is the focal point for prayer/worship except that it has been built up through the eons to be a single place of worship.
Throughout the ages the Catholic Church in my opinion has been a corrupt set of power hungry people, with material wealth; Gold embossed crosses, cups. The stunning Garb that the priests, Bishops are clothed in were funded from somewhere as were the massive Stone buildings (Churches, Ministers etc). The place of worship has shown to be an accumulation of power, status and wealth. In this day and age you have sermons being preached on the TV and Internet requesting donations to fund the Church. A multi billion pound Organisation with plenty of people wanting to pay their way into Heaven through a faith that never asked for any of that.
In respect of the above Christians should be aware of the following:
"For false anointed ones and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.” (Matthew 24:24)
"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.” (Matthew 7:13-14)
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. (Matthew 7:15)
Has the Church become a place where corruption and wealth has accumulated over the years to blind the very faith of Christianity and its initial teachings? I would have to say it has.
Again, I think you need some examples to prove this. If you're going to say "look at the Catholics" I won't argue with you. But I think you're over generalizing your perspective.
Anyone can obtain this information and there is a lot of evidence in the public domain. Yes Catholics do fall into this category. Over generlisation is useful rather than having to work though everything otherwise the post would be extremely long
Don't get me started on the Crusades, the inquisition etc as these only demonstrate further the bloody past of this faith. I know other faiths have done the same but as we are discussing Christianity here are some of the darker and misleading aspects of this faith.
Wow, 1500 years later and people are still hanging on this one. Let's see the last time Christians that went on a Crusade.... I'm Googling it right now. Yep just as I thought. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNG time ago. So how does that relate to today?
Well...if we are discussing the bible and how old it is, the teaching that came out of it then this is very relevant especially as it caused wars over religion....throughout the ages...which...wait for it...is still happening today...let's see Ireland is one of those places where there is plenty of up-to-date bad-blood relating different off-shoots of the Christian faith (Catholic and Protestants).
If the people who started this faith could only see where it has gone they would no doubt be horrified.
I'm sure you're King Arthur would say the same thing about you.
I sure the early and/or Native Population of America/Cananda could say a similar thing
