France Muslim face veil ban?

[ProfessorDreadNaught]

This thread is so one dimensional. Entertaining, but you don't employ enough critical thinking to find the UNDERLYING issues. What does the law do? Think of ALL the advantages and disadvantages that come from implementing (or just proposing) such a law. Brainstorm and try listing them. This thread could REALLY get somewhere.

One reason for the law no one has brought up, but I think it has a HUGE hidden psychological effect: "Those people are allowed to hide from Big Brother!"

Everywhere you go, especially in tourist heavy Western Europe, Big Brother is watching. Video Cameras are everywhere. Automatic weapon wielding police and para-military watch the comings and goings of countless up-standing citizens. Why do these mainly good law-abiding folk have to be subjected to such scrutiny and invasions of personal privacy? For security. Is anyone exempt from this invasion? Hmmmm.

THAT is the reason this bill was passed (and that it passed by a majority vote). Subtle psychology.

You are bonafide idiot. That is not the reason the bill was passed. When will you get your arrogant head out of your butt O'Great One? Talking down to the people here accusing us of one dimensional thinking as if you're capable of anything more.

Blah, blah, blah. Why don't you try it (listing reasons why and why not) instead of poo-pooing my idea out of a perceived slight to your intelligence. I'm not saying that anyone isn't smart enough, just that it hasn't been done yet. And anyone who thinks that this thread has run its course (because you've explored all the reasons for the laws passage) is thinking one dimensionally.

[Matt-Chicago]

Dread I actually did broach that subject.
I asked if it really was about hiding your identity from big brother, then should we ban fake beards with sunglasses? How far do we take that argument? Can women still wear a face covering veil on their wedding day? Would a Christian get arrested for trying to force his bride to wear it?

At some point though we have to take the people who created and passed the law's word for it on why they did it - staying secular and integrating Muslims.

[ProfessorDreadNaught]

Dread I actually did broach that subject.
I asked if it really was about hiding your identity from big brother, then should we ban fake beards with sunglasses? How far do we take that argument? Can women still wear a face covering veil on their wedding day? Would a Christian get arrested for trying to force his bride to wear it?

At some point though we have to take the people who created and passed the law's word for it on why they did it - staying secular and integrating Muslims.

Since WHEN did YOU decide to take a politicians word for ANYTHING? You tried to dismiss an argument before one was made. Actually, if a law enforcement person saw you wearing a fake beard and sunglasses, he would be able to stop you on suspicion and tell you to remove it for his inspection of you and your identity. In effect, the law already exists.

BTW. Most weddings are private functions (the law refers to "in public") and the veil generally does not hide someone's identity. Hyperbole.

[haasd0gg]

Back to hyperbole eh? Looks like the circle has come full

[mrjamwin]

This thread is so one dimensional. Entertaining, but you don't employ enough critical thinking to find the UNDERLYING issues. What does the law do? Think of ALL the advantages and disadvantages that come from implementing (or just proposing) such a law. Brainstorm and try listing them. This thread could REALLY get somewhere.

One reason for the law no one has brought up, but I think it has a HUGE hidden psychological effect: "Those people are allowed to hide from Big Brother!"

Everywhere you go, especially in tourist heavy Western Europe, Big Brother is watching. Video Cameras are everywhere. Automatic weapon wielding police and para-military watch the comings and goings of countless up-standing citizens. Why do these mainly good law-abiding folk have to be subjected to such scrutiny and invasions of personal privacy? For security. Is anyone exempt from this invasion? Hmmmm.

THAT is the reason this bill was passed (and that it passed by a majority vote). Subtle psychology.

You are bonafide idiot. That is not the reason the bill was passed. When will you get your arrogant head out of your butt O'Great One? Talking down to the people here accusing us of one dimensional thinking as if you're capable of anything more.

Blah, blah, blah. Why don't you try it (listing reasons why and why not) instead of poo-pooing my idea out of a perceived slight to your intelligence. I'm not saying that anyone isn't smart enough, just that it hasn't been done yet. And anyone who thinks that this thread has run its course (because you've explored all the reasons for the laws passage) is thinking one dimensionally.

You Blah blah me you pretencious turd? The one who thinks he's the most intelligent because of the many words he uses? Why don't read my posts and see the direction I heading. Maybe this thread has run it's course and the people are just tired of talking about it and want to move along, but then comes the mighty righteous and all knowing ProfessorDread doesn't seem to see that and makes his usual accusations in a pathetic attempt to keep it alive.

[ProfessorDreadNaught]

You Blah blah me you pretencious turd? The one who thinks he's the most intelligent because of the many words he uses? Why don't read my posts and see the direction I heading. Maybe this thread has run it's course and the people are just tired of talking about it and want to move along, but then comes the mighty righteous and all knowing ProfessorDread doesn't seem to see that and makes his usual accusations in a pathetic attempt to keep it alive.

ROFL. Name calling? If you are tired of the thread, don't click on it. If you don't like what I say, censor me. If you want to stop the topic, lock it. You've proven before you need not be rational or fair in your decisions nor even cordial in your posts.

[mrjamwin]

I'm offended. I wasn't name calling I was stating a fact. Once again, you've proven yourself irrational. I need not say anymore.

[(SWGO)Kren]

Everywhere you go, especially in tourist heavy Western Europe, Big Brother is watching. Video Cameras are everywhere. Automatic weapon wielding police and para-military watch the comings and goings of countless up-standing citizens. Why do these mainly good law-abiding folk have to be subjected to such scrutiny and invasions of personal privacy? For security. Is anyone exempt from this invasion? Hmmmm.
THAT is the reason this bill was passed (and that it passed by a majority vote). Subtle psychology.

Mmm...automatic wielding people in western Europe, Ok...so you mean England, Belgium, Norway, Switzerland have this in place....really, I must have missed that somehow, unless they are all in disguise under their false beards, burqua's and other attire. I'll keep an eye out for these dread the next time I am over there. What's the maximum jail sentance in Norway...is it something like 20 years, yes/no/don't know? Britain has the worst crime in Europe as far I was aware but I don't see automatic weapon wielding police in the major cities here, perhaps you can inform everyone as to where the para-military are located based upon the gernalised statement you made?

Subjected to security....let's think how this has been....Ireland (Irish National Liberation Army, Irish People's Liberation Organisation, Irish Republican Army, Ulster Defence Association), Spain (Basque movement - ETA), Italy (Red Brigades), Revolutionary Organization (Greece) and I am sure there are more. Let’s compare these with the groups in the middle east, south America, Russia (plus some of the baltic states) and there are a lot more terrorist groups, cartels etc in those countries and do they all have para military groups, gun wielding gangs, corrupt law enforcement...I think the answer would be yes.

Or perhaps justice and security comes in this form?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376649/British-tourist-Lee-Bradley-Brown-beaten-death-Dubai-police-cell.html

...or perhaps we should just turn a blind eye:



I did not see any automatic wielding police around when the above took place?

Now France have decide to make the ban law because I am sure it wants to look after the safety of individuals, retain the values it has as a republic and does not want to start fragmenting the country by having certain groups with their own laws and doing what they like. If a country is taking security seriously then there are reasons for this Dread.

Regards,

Kren

[[m'kay]]

ROFL. Name calling? If you are tired of the thread, don't click on it. If you don't like what I say, censor me. If you want to stop the topic, lock it. You've proven before you need not be rational or fair in your decisions nor even cordial in your posts.

Shut the hell up you little brat, and let the adults talk. Thanks.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

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