France Muslim face veil ban?

[ProfessorDreadNaught]

Mmm...automatic wielding people in western Europe, Ok...so you mean England, Belgium, Norway, Switzerland have this in place....really, I must have missed that somehow, unless they are all in disguise under their false beards, burqua's and other attire. I'll keep an eye out for these dread the next time I am over there. What's the maximum jail sentance in Norway...is it something like 20 years, yes/no/don't know? Britain has the worst crime in Europe as far I was aware but I don't see automatic weapon wielding police in the major cities here, perhaps you can inform everyone as to where the para-military are located based upon the gernalised statement you made?

Subjected to security....let's think how this has been....Ireland (Irish National Liberation Army, Irish People's Liberation Organisation, Irish Republican Army, Ulster Defence Association), Spain (Basque movement - ETA), Italy (Red Brigades), Revolutionary Organization (Greece) and I am sure there are more. Let’s compare these with the groups in the middle east, south America, Russia (plus some of the baltic states) and there are a lot more terrorist groups, cartels etc in those countries and do they all have para military groups, gun wielding gangs, corrupt law enforcement...I think the answer would be yes.

Or perhaps justice and security comes in this form?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376649/British-tourist-Lee-Bradley-Brown-beaten-death-Dubai-police-cell.html

...or perhaps we should just turn a blind eye:


I did not see any automatic wielding police around when the above took place?

Now France have decide to make the ban law because I am sure it wants to look after the safety of individuals, retain the values it has as a republic and does not want to start fragmenting the country by having certain groups with their own laws and doing what they like. If a country is taking security seriously then there are reasons for this Dread.

Regards,

Kren

Kren, you simply misunderstand what I wrote. Also perhaps you don't visit the tourist traps many in America spend their money on seeing on a European trip. In Paris as well as London international visitors will often see "Security" with automatic weapons. Call them police or military, it ers little. Also high profile target locations have the same "Security" presence. The Eiffel Tower, Buckingham Palace, The Louvre and even the Sistine Chapel all are watched. Many rail stations and underground platforms are similarly secured. Nearly ALL large public spaces are covered by CCTV. I think from a Michigan Militiaman's point of view (no I'm not a card carrying member) Big Brother is active in Western Europe.

No er what the threat, and you site MANY non-islamic threats, it is the price we pay (lack of privacy) for public security. I simply say that the "misery loves company" postulate comes into effect when you realize that a religious loophole lets someone have more privacy than the rest of us. I'm not against the law. I'm actually for it. I find it to be a perfectly acceptable trade between civil rights and public security. I am simply saying that the law's passage has WAY more impact than what is being discussed.

[WD-40]

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How's that for direction?!?...I probably offended 5 different religions with THAT one!

(I just wish you coulda 'heard' it!)

[(SWGO)Kren]

Kren, you simply misunderstand what I wrote. Also perhaps you don't visit the tourist traps many in America spend their money on seeing on a European trip. In Paris as well as London international visitors will often see "Security" with automatic weapons. Call them police or military, it ers little. Also high profile target locations have the same "Security" presence. The Eiffel Tower, Buckingham Palace, The Louvre and even the Sistine Chapel all are watched. Many rail stations and underground platforms are similarly secured. Nearly ALL large public spaces are covered by CCTV. I think from a Michigan Militiaman's point of view (no I'm not a card carrying member) Big Brother is active in Western Europe.

No er what the threat, and you site MANY non-Islamic threats, it is the price we pay (lack of privacy) for public security. I simply say that the "misery loves company" postulate comes into effect when you realize that a religious loophole lets someone have more privacy than the rest of us. I'm not against the law. I'm actually for it. I find it to be a perfectly acceptable trade between civil rights and public security. I am simply saying that the law's passage has WAY more impact than what is being discussed.

I have btw visited many tourist traps and security has increased and why is this so...I am sure you can answer that question, look what happened with the twin towers, London bombings etc. Security is unfortunately the by-product of a society that has been infected with hate, crime, death, gang culture and a number of radicalised religions. Para military and law enforcement are completely different especially in Western Europe. Do you really think that there would be so much security if there were not so many issues with fanatics, terrorists, gangs etc.? So if the security was not in place would it remain secure and safe, most likely not? If CCTV was not around to capture such people they would be free to run riot.

Misery loves company....what? A religious loophole; a separate law inside a country would eventually lead to major issues. Before you know it there are 2 laws for different people within a country and it could fracture the country, lead to immense unrest and worse. The French (the people) voted on this subject so clearly there must have been a concern relating to facial concealment otherwise the law would not have been passed.

Our values and way of life is very much different from the countries of the Middle East, African nations, Islamic states, China, Russia etc. but when something is taken away there is uproar from such nations. You don't see the same equality and fair practice in those countries and their laws, military etc. repress their own people let alone another faith or minority, do you see that in Western Europe or the states? A law is passed and across the world there anger about this.

Human rights...well the following should give you an insight into how bad things have been/are from the link below:

http://www.iheu.org/taxonomy/term/109

Multicultural societies...

http://www.iheu.org/multiculturalism-britain-failed-ideal