USA #1

[haasd0gg]

Yeah rawler, the good ol USA is also the #1 reason Poland isn't under Nazi rule right now. Keep hatin.

....that might have had something to do with the then red army of the Soviet Union rather than the USA. The soviets lost around 22,000 soldiers liberating Warsaw at the time.

Don't even get me started... the Soviets let the Germans invade Poland without fear of interfernce from them... nonaggression treaty... the sovies came in from the back while hitler was knocking down the front door. That was 1939. In 1940 your soviet heroes massacred 4000 polish military officers and threw them in a mass grave. By 1941 the soviets had put somewheres around 1.5 mil in polish citizens in labor camps back in the soviet union. In fact, the soviets didn't do a damn thing for poland untilthey got invaded by the germans... and then what?... they became Polands oppressor AGAIN forcing in their own communist regime.
True, the soviets ran the last germans out of poland, but what good would that have done had the US not kicked the rest of their asses? Its not just Poland- its europe and the world that should remember to thank us.
The US may not be perfect, but I am getting really tired of people talking [poo] about us. I love this country, I love what it stands for, and I love our people ([derriere orifice] and all).
This topic is shortsighted misleading and stupid.

Oh and lets not forget who ultimately brought down the iron curtain

[[m'kay]]

Hint grrr theoretically.
Stewart

I was being facetious.

In all actuality I was pointing out trends in MT's posts where he rambles on about [poo] forever and doesn't help at all.

You know, you're really not that good at this trolling business.

[(SWGO)Kren]

Yeah rawler, the good ol USA is also the #1 reason Poland isn't under Nazi rule right now. Keep hatin.

....that might have had something to do with the then red army of the Soviet Union rather than the USA. The soviets lost around 22,000 soldiers liberating Warsaw at the time.

Don't even get me started... the Soviets let the Germans invade Poland without fear of interfernce from them... nonaggression treaty... the sovies came in from the back while hitler was knocking down the front door. That was 1939. In 1940 your soviet heroes massacred 4000 polish military officers and threw them in a mass grave. By 1941 the soviets had put somewheres around 1.5 mil in polish citizens in labor camps back in the soviet union. In fact, the soviets didn't do a damn thing for poland untilthey got invaded by the germans... and then what?... they became Polands oppressor AGAIN forcing in their own communist regime.
True, the soviets ran the last germans out of poland, but what good would that have done had the US not kicked the rest of their asses? Its not just Poland- its europe and the world that should remember to thank us.
The US may not be perfect, but I am getting really tired of people talking [poo] about us. I love this country, I love what it stands for, and I love our people ([derriere orifice] and all).
This topic is shortsighted misleading and stupid.

FYI the soviets were not my heroes, just so you are clear on that one. The point I made was valid and that is what they did. I was not discussing before/after just what happened at the time.

No country is perfect far from it but don't think for a minute that history began when the USA came into being. Other countries in the world have contributed far more over the years however that is not taking away what the US have done.

Did the US want to join World War 2, well not really considering that your country had gone through the great depression and a lot of American’s had no knowledge or care of what was happening in Europe? Pearl Harbour was the catalyst for you guys joining the war when the interests of US were at stake. Did you contribute to WW2, of course, did other others do their part yes of course they did and a lot of their cities, civilians and military personnel suffered as a result. A lot of European Cities were razed to the ground as a result.

Btw...I was not knocking the USA so where you got that from the previous post I am unclear?

[Yanoda]

The US may not be perfect, but I am getting really tired of people talking [poo] about us. I love this country, I love what it stands for, and I love our people ([derriere orifice] and all).

Why are people so sensitive when someone criticizes the USA? We constantly criticize and make fun of other countries as well. We are not the (only) victims here. Sure, the US isn't #1 in everything, but what other country is? Every country has good and bad points (also depending on the culture and people's views). If someone criticizes one's country, just don't let it bother you if you're confident that the statement is not true and continue your patriotism.
On the other side, I also find it amusing to see several people say that their country is the greatest/best in the World and demean another.
Now, if a country would be perfect, then there would be nothing to improve/change. The country's situation has to be stagnant then.

Imperfection is made the US (you can also apply to any country) so strong, the people kept trying to improve and dream for a better life. Sure, the views may be divided in what would be the better course of action but This is Life. Ideas are made, tested, improved, improvised, removed etc... situations change and so does society, culture and the country.

Cheers

Yanoda

[haasd0gg]

This topic is knocking the USA and it gets me a bit heated.
Regardless of the whys the US got involved in WW2 we were indeed the reason for the outcome. We surely weren't the only ones to fight or sacrifice, but where would the world be today if we hadn't stepped in?

[(SWGO)Kren]

Hass who knows where it would have ended nobody could have predicted this. Did it expediate the end of the war by US intervention then yes. Flip this on its head and if Europe had decided to assist in the US Civil war you might now have 2 separate counteries rather than one but that did not happen rather like saying if the US had stayed out of the war what would have been the outcome.

I don't hate the US or it's people but equally so do I think everything is right over there or elsewhere like Yanoda indicated. The US is not the be-all-end-all in this wide world; individual's, other counteries all play their part in growth, strife etc and if you don't think this then I don't know what you are looking at?

[haasd0gg]

Here's the short: the picture posted is stupid and insulting. If you like I will start making posts [poo] on your countries. I love mine.
Rawler has been silent on this. I'd like to hear what his intentions/hopes were in posting...

[Yanoda]

We surely weren't the only ones to fight or sacrifice, but where would the world be today if we hadn't stepped in?

From what I learned is that by the time the US joined the war in Europe, Germany was already at its limit. Having suffered many losses in trying to invade Russia due to the severe winter. Invading North Africa and having to maintain control of the occupied countries lead to their army being thinned out.
The US involvement just sped the inevitable fall of the 'Third Reich', but it probably avoided more possible casualties over time.
We should not be speculating where we would be if this or that would have happened or not. In terms of the WW2 scenario, it can lead to others arguing that Russia (former Soviet Union) may not have become as powerful as they became. The Cold War may not even have occurred. This is all speculation and behind us now, no need to worry about that.
We should all strive for the future and not let the past hold us back or keep grudges/mindsets (but one should not forget the past either).

I can understand your feelings haasd0gg, but don't forget that (todays) Germans are still getting criticized and blamed for the actions of the Nazis/Germans over 60 years ago. There is still this viewpoint that German = Nazi, which is not the case.

Whenever I feel down or irritated, I always think of those that have it much worse off than me and realize that my life isn't so bad.

Here's the short: the picture posted is stupid and insulting. If you like I will start making posts [poo] on your countries. I love mine.
Rawler has been silent on this. I'd like to hear what his intentions/hopes were in posting...

I view this as an incentive to improve on these categories. No need to get worked up about it.

Cheers

Yanoda

[MATTHEW'S_DAD]

Don't forget, winter liberated the Soviets from the Nazis. Not to fan the flames but I had to throw that in there.

[MATTHEW'S_DAD]

Oh, and as far as those statistics go, as has been said in another thread, numbers can be made to slant an argument in any direction to benefit the original poster. I don't dispute the numbers, I just dispute selecting numbers that shine only a negative light.

And Kren and Yanny, I love your two countries and have a great deal of respect for them, but there is a bash America trend running rampant on the internet. It's so popular that our own elected illegal immigrant (obama) went on an apology tour for us. Having served my country and coming from a family that has served and knowing many people that have served and are currently serving, it sort of grates on my nerves too. America owes no one any apologies and no nation owes us any apologies. Business is business and that's all there is to it. Anyone who thinks we should have shame or hang our heads over anything we have ever done can honestly just rot in hell for all I care because we all live in glass houses.

Again, Kren and Yan, don't take this the wrong way. I have more respect for you two in particular and your countries and certainly your opinions than you probably know. But I completely dig where Haas is coming from on this.