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[[m'kay]]

No don't blame the Saudis, blame God. He's the one that put the oil there in the first place. It's his fault.

You thinking what i'm thinking?

[mrjamwin]

I don't know you tell me. What science are they using to prove all this? How can you verify that the methods that the scientist are using are accurate?. Regardless of what you may read in your news media the USA is making alot of efforts to reduce ours.

Simple, these solar rays are infra-red, ussing a infra-red vison at night can allow cientists to see these rays.
Proof has pollution stays in the air, but it does rise close to our atmosphere.
Since these block the infrared rays they cannot leave the atmosphere, of course cientists can make a pact and lie about all this but.....
That would be inlogical, and this way we can even doubt there is a Ozone layer....

I don't see the point in cientist lying the official pollution stadistics, wich show an increasemt in pollution instead of a reduction.
BTW the whole pollution talk was writen in this thread not to long ago
http://swgohome.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2214

And yes like i said before i base my theory on the news media, wich is controlled.
Regardless, the USA and Rusia are already claiming the oil reservoirs under the north pole for when the ice melts.....

MT

I can easily tell you why the scientist would lie. It's called MONEY! See if there's no global warming alarmism then these scientist would not be getting grant money and therefore they would not have jobs. So the more alarm and fear they create the more money they get and thus get to stay in business. Plain and simple.

Second to Corpse- about the natural selection statement.. No I'm not kidding. And last, please don't blame a God that the majority of you don't believe in it's sort of hypocritical. Anyway, that's all I got to say.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

You may have a point there Jamwin, but then explain why the ice caps are melting, and why the temperature has risen 1,5-2 Degrees.

[Corpse]

No don't blame the Saudis, blame God. He's the one that put the oil there in the first place. It's his fault.

You thinking what i'm thinking?

Doubtful, I'm thinking about studying.

To Jamwin, lighten up. The internet doesn't always have to be serious business.

Minas, I believe that Arctic temperatures are actually rising faster than the rest of the world. Something like 3-4 degrees in the past 50 years I think.

[mrjamwin]

You may have a point there Jamwin, but then explain why the ice caps are melting, and why the temperature has risen 1,5-2 Degrees.

Tell me why there was an ice age or why during the early middle ages the average temperature was around 100 degrees Farenheit? Some can be contributed to the sun, movement and rotation of the earth off it's axis. Did you know that under some of the ice caps that are melting they've found early man settlements and graves? Why is that? Maybe because a long time ago the ice caps weren't there before as we know them to be know. Which means that it's possible it was warm then too and then over time it got colder and everything froze over. I see these things happening as a result of natural cycles. Just because we're experiencing them now doesn't mean that they didn't occur in the past. Now with that said please understand that I do believe we as humans need to protect our environment. I personally live a very beautiful state in the U.S. that has lots of mountains and hate the pollution that I see. So we all should be responsible and do our part and try to reduce emissions while also doing our best to maintain our economic stability.

To my friend Corpse. I am relaxed. I'm just having a little fun too and if I get a response like the one you provided. Then I"m having loads of fun.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

You may have a point there Jamwin, but then explain why the ice caps are melting, and why the temperature has risen 1,5-2 Degrees.

Tell me why there was an ice age or why during the early middle ages the average temperature was around 100 degrees Farenheit? Some can be contributed to the sun, movement and rotation of the earth off it's axis. Did you know that under some of the ice caps that are melting they've found early man settlements and graves? Why is that? Maybe because a long time ago the ice caps weren't there before as we know them to be know. Which means that it's possible it was warm then too and then over time it got colder and everything froze over.

I'm sorry but couldn't this be the real cientific "lies"?

I see these things happening as a result of natural cycles.

yes there are hotter and colder temperatures.
But the things that are happening now have not happened in the past reading of 100 years.

[mrjamwin]

Minas, the ice age was thousands of years ago and we know that it occurred through rock studies, fossil research and other scientific research. So again just because these weather patterns didn't happen 100 years ago which with age of the earth doesn't mean that they haven't occurred before. 100 years is a relatively short period of time to measure the earths cyclic patterns. It's short sighted at best of us humans to see what's happening around us and think that's it's never happened before. I equate it to people who lived in a desert all their life and then seeing snow for the first time.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

Minas, the ice age was thousands of years ago and we know that it occurred through rock studies, fossil research and other scientific research.

Yes, this is said to be true, Cientists prooved it.
So if Cientists also claim that the climate change is made by pollution, why do you think these can be lies, while the Ice age is true?

So again just because these weather patterns didn't happen 100 years ago which with age of the earth doesn't mean that they haven't occurred before. 100 years is a relatively short period of time to measure the earths cyclic patterns. It's short sighted at best of us humans to see what's happening around us and think that's it's never happened before. I equate it to people who lived in a desert all their life and then seeing snow for the first time.

This may be true on one part, but the clear pattern that pollution has been increasing every year, and that every year the earth get's hotter, and every year the climate changes even more is a very odd cooincidence if you look at the cientist "discovery" that the infrared solar rays cannot leave our atmosphere.

This is why i believe pollution is the cause of the Ice mellting and the greenhouse effect.
There is proof that the earth after sundown has to cooldown.
There is proof this cooldown is made by the infrared HOT rays left on our soil go out our atmosphere during the night
There is proof that pollution gasses block these rays.

Could it all be a lie? everything is posible, but i see no point in it.
You can say the money, but people aren't interested in reducion pollution, the greenhouse effect, or the climate change, some people even say it's a mith.
So with no suport whatsoever what would these cientists gain?

PS. it is believed that there used to be 2 parts of the north pole, one of them melted in the past and due to it's sweet water instead of salty water it disrupted the oceans water currents(wich keep up it's temperature) and by this stopping the cycle, freezing the ocean and starting the ICE age.
So now there is 1 part left, and it's melting.
IF the Ice age did happen due to the first melting, what will happen with the second one?

MT

[mrjamwin]

So here's a thought what's the correlation between the weather getting warmer and people buying ice cream? Where is there more pollution and how is it increasing every year? Is it green house gases from industry for cows farting? If it's getting warmer every year then by how much and then the next question is how much is too much. Again I stated eariler that there is documented history that during the middle ages the average temp was 100 degrees F. (translate that to celsius) So if was that warm then what caused it. Same with the ice age what caused the earth to get so cold it froze. What caused the world to get so warm that it melted? The point I was trying to make eariler is that we think we're seeing a problem based on our perspective and at this exact point in time without having any kind of frame of reference. And again the real motive for the global warming issue is all about money and control.

[burzerker]

Well let's see.. the temp has actually been decreasing for the last decade, ice on the polar caps is getting thicker and staying longer in the year.. plenty of other details that get ignored.. here's a good site that daily updates the flaws and lies perpetrated by the global warming "the end is near" crowd... Funny how they all make fun of the obviously misguided rapture guy, but they have their own the end is near campaign and get away with it. forgot to post the site, it's climatedepot.com