The Muslims aren't happy

[[m'kay]]

Actually MC, I think I understand you all too well.

Your a self admitted radical leftist, prone to protesting, with ties to Palistinians for the last 20 years or so? You have two "friends" boarding the "Audacity of Hope" or one of the other ships that is planning on running the Israeli blockade in hopes of provoking another violent response from Israel while claiming all along that they are "humanitarians", to help the poor people of Gaza. I would also conclude that saying you dislike the military wing of Hamas does not mean you do not support Hamas. I guess I understand just what you have told us. I like to take people at their word, and buddy your word scares the living shiite out of me.


Have fun with your Arab Spring pal. Your rosy outlook on the next 50 years with no more dictators in the Middle East is a pipe dream. A lot of people are gonna die on both sides. Maybe you, Bernadine Dohrn, and Bill Ayers can sleep at night with that kind of blood on your hands. Or maybe you try not to think about it. But please, stop pissing on these guys in the forum and telling them it's just rainin'.

I have been staring at my monitor with my mouth wide open for the last five minutes, thinking of something to say. I honestly couldn't think of anything. As I have no words to describe precisely how stupid and offensive that was, i'll substitute it with this; [m'kay] you. I do not mean that in a funny way, I do not mean that in an offensive way, I do not mean that in a way to incite flaming, I do not mean that in a way to try and get attention. That is honestly all I can say. [m'kay]. You. That was so ridiculously [m'kay] retarded that i'm not entirely sure precisely how I can make my actual feelings clear to you through text. You honestly believe that MC supports [m'kay] Hamas? Are you even kidding me? You have shown yourself to be incapable of even trying to see the perspective of someone who is, as you put it, a "Radical Leftist".(way to put that in a sense that supports an Us vs Them mentality by the way, pretty [m'kay] progressive) And do you know why you're disagreeing with him? Do you actually know why? It's because you can't even [m'kay] imagine that he can't be against Israel AND Hamas. No, there's no way that Israel AND Hamas could be in the wrong on this one! After all, there has to be someone in the right, and since Hamas is a terrorist organization, that makes them the bad guys and Israel the good guys! HOORAY FOR ISRAEL!

God, i'm not even sure if this argument is coherent at all, I just had to say something. Because god damn if that wasn't the most hateful, prejudiced [poo] I have ever [m'kay] read on these forums. And I always hit the Preview button.

[Duel of Fates]

I called it like I saw it. You might not like it Narg, and frankly, I don't give a rats ass what you think. My comments were not prejudicial or hateful.

[haasd0gg]

lol this is always where politics and religion end.
Everybodys said their piece, now hug it out bit chez

[Matt-Chicago]

Toad - Hamas is a complex organization. There are wings which do nothing but charity work - running schools, soup kitchens, etc. There are wings who do nothing but police Gaza, there are political wings and military wings.
Hamas is a terrorist organization but they are not committed to any kind of genocide like you claim. They want Palestine back which means the destruction of Israel - but that does not mean they want all the Jews killed. They do however teach vile antisemitism to the young people of Gaza, which gets reinforced by Israel's bombing, home and infrastructure demolitions, embargo, etc. One of the problem right now is that there is no economy in Gaza and so the only jobs are with the government, and guess who the government is...People have to support their family - I would guess between 50-80% of the people Hamas employs want nothing to do with their political or military program - only to support their family. As I said, I have friends who have given their lives trying to protect INNOCENT Palestinians. If you can't distinguish civilians from militants - that is a shame. Also, you are just plain wrong about US support for the dictators of Bahrain and Yemen - we are the major backers, money, weapons and diplomatic support, often funneled through Saudi Arabia - another harsh dictatorship the US supports. I believe there are only three or four countries in the entire region which do not have US military bases.

Duel - the only blood I have on my hands are the millions of Iraqis, Afghanis, Pakistanis, and others killed and displaced with my tax money. I believe in non violence which is why I protest instead of picking up a weapon, I believe in less bloodshed which is why I protest the illegal, unjust, and unnecessary wars like Iraq.

I would also note that pretty much none of the facts I have laid out have been disputed - mainly just rhetorical attacks instead of laying out some facts counter to what I've said.

As always, I don't take any of this personally and have pretty thick skin especially about what's being discussed here - so I hope others feel somewhat the same way.

[(SWGO)Kren]

It's the same old story what has happened for thousands of years; one group of people against another. People are born, grow-up, live with violence, learn violence, accrue wealth and make others poor, take land/lose land, be displaced/displace others, use religion as a vehicle to transfer the message that you are right and they are wrong, hate others who don't conform to your way of thinking, procreate and repeat the cycle.

No er how you approach it conflict is here to stay for the foreseeable future until the human race learns to put aside their differences and work as a unified population to make this earth a better place. We are still 2 young and violent at the moment to achieve this, perhaps in another thousand years or more. There's way 2 much to fight for/over at the moment and sad as it might be that's how it is until the cycle can be broken.

[=JAWS=tom{ASN}]

um i dont understand anything of what u said but you are the wise man

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

You know, i actually didn't post here because i knew "SOMETHING" would go wrong in here.
Seems it has, like haas said, everyone who wanted to share his piece did it.

So....Where is Aeka with that lock smiley?

MT

[WD-40]

Hamas is a terrorist organization but they are not committed to any kind of genocide like you claim. They want Palestine back which means the destruction of Israel - but that does not mean they want all the Jews killed.

Ummmm…That's a tough pill to swallow Matt. I'm sure at the very least, they wouldn't be disappointed if all the Jews just suddenly died if they were not killed.

[toad]

MC: It be the equivalent of the Red Cross having a "military wing" bent on the destruction of Canada. You are either a benevolent pacifist or your a terrorist, you can't have it both ways. That would make you a hypocrite. Add a big dash of antisemitism and strap some bombs on a few kids and you would have a nice Hamas pie. Don't get me wrong I know there are different parts of Hamas. I am aware that the majority of Hamas does charity work. Yet even in the charity work the antisemitism they preach grates on me. It just seems like they are prepping whole generations to think it's ok to commit genocide. They also don't teach that junk just to the people in Gaza. They have their own textbooks made with their skewed ideology. They use that stuff as a recruiting base for their suicide runs.

The manor in which Hamas "wages war" is what's so revolting. Just being complaisant is enough for condemnation. Even the PA knows this, they backpedaled from Gaza after the vote. I feel bad for the people living in Gaza but they made their proverbial bed, it's now time to lay in it.

As for Bahrain and Yemen I have to disagree. The US is actively in those countries for strategic reasons. In Yemen's case it's because that's where Al Qaeda is. As for supporting dictatorships it's a er of semantics. I also never said dictatorships where a bad thing. I don't like them but until recently their citizens seemed fine with it. As for Saudi Arabia that is a complicated issue. Yes they have a harsh governance , I haven't seen the US funnel anything through them, and the last I remember they are making moves towards democracy.

MT: Besides Duel's brutal post, this has been an enlightening. Just because the topic is a hot button issue doesn't mean it needs to be locked.

[WD-40]

Yeah! What's the dam hurry MT! Theres not a lot of thought provoking threads on the boards lately. Go lock one of your threads. Sheeze!