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[nobody]

Old people [m'kay]ing up the world and young people who will have to clean up the mess.

I have to agree with that.

[[m'kay]]

It has been calculated that if we made a solar panel in the midle of the sahara desert, with the dimension of 200x200Km it would give enough energy to supply the whole world in a cheaper way.

Shows how much you think of other people. I mean [poo], what the hell are the sand farmers out there going to do? And the shortages that would result from it would absolutely topple the entire world economy. Jesus christ, Minas.

[Duel of Fates]

Hey Val, that would be really cool if it was cost efficient and the technology in creating a solar panel array that size was viable. But it is not. Hell, just think of the plastic components you need for something that size, of which plastic is a petroleum product. So we use fossil fuels and lots of it to build and maintain.

I'm all for harnessing the huge power output of the sun, but our tech just ain't there for large scales, affordability, and reliability. Until it is, we need to use what we have.

[fightingclam]

I don't have the time to read all this.
But anyhow here goes what i know about the energy.
Currently the earth is relying on a fossil energy that is running out.
Going onto another fossil energy is retarded it will give the same problem in years to come.

If you guys think there is no other way then you are wrong.
It's all for bussness and profit.
It has been calculated that if we made a solar panel in the midle of the sahara desert, with the dimension of 200x200Km it would give enough energy to supply the whole world in a cheaper way.But no let's just dig up oil in any place we can get anything off.
Sice the persons in charge will be dead before the real thing starts.
Old people [m'kay]ing up the world and young people who will have to clean up the mess.

+1 on that last statement

The problem with the solar energy is the fact that it can't be transported easily, like gasoline can.
Also, if we were to put solar panels in a 100 square mile section of Nevada, it could supply the whole U.S with power for a long time. The thing that ers is the versatility of some of the these new energy sources. I'm all for them, but it would seem (and I hate admitting this) that gas is the best way, until we can find sources that are easier to transport . The alternative sources we have discovered so far are great, but can only be used mainly in the area where they're collected.
Each of the solutions has their own issues as well. Hydropower (dams) are [m'kay] up the aquatic environment around it, and they are affecting migration patterns of fish. Solar and wind energy; the sun doesnt always shine, and the wind doesnt always blow. Solar panels are also affected by the pollution of the air around it, which can affect the generation of energy. These seem to be the 3 major sources of other energy we know of. Any others?

-Clam

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

Hey Val, that would be really cool if it was cost efficient and the technology in creating a solar panel array that size was viable. But it is not. Hell, just think of the plastic components you need for something that size, of which plastic is a petroleum product. So we use fossil fuels and lots of it to build and maintain.

I'm all for harnessing the huge power output of the sun, but our tech just ain't there for large scales, affordability, and reliability. Until it is, we need to use what we have.

Well one some point you are right but:
1: it doesn't has to be a HUGE 200X200KM sun panal, you just make a bunch of small ones, put them together and use em like multiplexing TV screens

2: That's another point, see "Our tech isn't advanced enough" To be honest all the tech WE are getting is stuff that already Exists for years, the real "tech" isn't for public display, as it will first be ussed for a military purpose.
There are many leaks out of NASA of them finding out new things, things that could be ussed to better everything, but that aren't being released yet.
i'm not going to sum leaks up, because just like the solar panal i don't want to go explaining it all.

Just saying that clean energy can be ussed to supply the whole world, but because it has to be able to be a profitable bussness why change?
Like i said, the presidents the leaders of today will never see the real dark days, when their actions takes it's toll.
And young people will have to live it and try and find solutions, just like war, Some old people declare it and while they are siting at a confortable chair in a room with air-conditioning and having a good drink YOUNG people are fighting and dying in a war they have nothing to do with since it's all [m'kay]ing politics.

I would like to see the ones declaring wars see them fight it for a change.

[Corpse]

What excites me is the potential of hydrogen power. At present, we have no large-scale way of obtaining hydrogen which doesn't involve using electricity (which is generated from fossil fuel combustion) to electrolyse water. But, in the photosystems of chloroplasts in photosynthesising organisms, a molecule which is able to catalyse the oxidation of water (into oxygen and hydrogen) exists. This is the only known example of a working catalyst for this mechanism. If we found a way to synthesise and utilise this, we could obtain hydrogen (which produces no carbon dioxide on combustion) from water (which is in plentiful supply) with less energy than would be produced from burning it. Too bad this is easier said than done.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

What excites me is the potential of hydrogen power. At present, we have no large-scale way of obtaining hydrogen which doesn't involve using electricity (which is generated from fossil fuel combustion) to electrolyse water. But, in the photosystems of chloroplasts in photosynthesising organisms, a molecule which is able to catalyse the oxidation of water (into oxygen and hydrogen) exists. This is the only known example of a working catalyst for this mechanism. If we found a way to synthesise and utilise this, we could obtain hydrogen (which produces no carbon dioxide on combustion) from water (which is in plentiful supply) with less energy than would be produced from burning it. Too bad this is easier said than done.

Stop looking at wikipedia

[Corpse]

I'd like to see you find it on Wikipedia. I actually learned it from a book I'm reading called Life Ascending, by Nick Lane.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Ascending-Great-Inventions-Evolution/dp/1861978480

I thoroughly recommend it to anyone, although a basic understanding of both chemistry and biology is required for it to mean anything to the reader.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

I thoroughly recommend it to anyone, although a basic understanding of both chemistry and biology is required for it to mean anything to the reader.

I understand all what you said before but remembering it?

[Corpse]

It's not difficult to remember. There's some stuff in that book, like the origins of the first organic molecules before DNA/RNA existed that I find difficult to remember at the moment, but that's what re-reading is for.