Ron Paul: Healthcare, Military Spending And The Debt Crisis

[ӺȁȿŧƔ]

I was replying to what Heatmaster had said about healthcare and also I wanted to talk about Ron. I'll change the title just for you.

[Heatmaster78]

"And the candidates obviously have different views."

I think you mean candiDATE (singular) because I didn't see anyone else besides Santorum respond to that question.

If it were candiDATES (plural) then you would've had the other 20 candidates' views (if you didn't know that's an exaggeration) in the video.

Universal Health Care doesn't work. But making Healthcare 'affordable' for all is a step in the right direction. Obama's simply [m'kay] everyone, but he's a total idiot with no experience, so I saw that coming.

I think everyone is for making healthcare more affordable for the families that don't make a lot of money in this country. Making it more affordable is making it a little more universal in a sense because more people would have health care.

...until the debt has been taken care of!

The debt will be better when we tax the millionares, billionares, and corporations. You guys are so against this because if you pass a (X)% of tax increases you'll lose all your sponsers because you guys have been babying these guys for both of Bush's terms. If these guys are making X times amount more money than the other 90% or so of America then they deserved to be taxed because they have all the money and they should be the ones paying up (small businesses aren't corporations, just so you know).
That's just my opinion on things, if you don't like it I'm fine with that. Funny thing is, my democratic social studies teacher (he's from Boston) brought up Obama's Jobs bill today in class since we're studying government and how it works (well we're actually studying American history but we're focusing on government first).

[ӺȁȿŧƔ]

"And the candidates obviously have different views."

I think you mean candiDATE (singular) because I didn't see anyone else besides Santorum respond to that question.

If it were candiDATES (plural) then you would've had the other 20 candidates' views (if you didn't know that's an exaggeration) in the video.

There are only six other candidates that are in the republican primaries. All six want to continue with the wars. None of them have come up with a money saving plan, other than Cains "999" plan which is just going to tax the poor and feed the rich even more.

[ProfessorDreadNaught]

I find our European friends responses to my posts INCREDIBLY enlightening. Both skipped the question I was raising, but (unconciously?) answered it indirectly. I will ask it again POINTEDLY for a direct response. Is it moral to make one man pay for another's medical care?

(please remember NOTHING is "Free". The doctors and nurses and others DO get paid or... should THEY work for "Free")

If these guys are making X times amount more money than the other 90% or so of America then they deserved to be taxed because they have all the money and they should be the ones paying up (small businesses aren't corporations, just so you know).

Again I ask a moral question. is it moral to take someone's money simply because they have it?

[Duel of Fates]

Well of course it is Dread. That is the whole socialist manifesto. Anyone who has money, obviously doesnt need all of it, and should happily give their money to the down and out. Spending other people's money is the new American tradition. And I see no end in sight for this kind of mentality.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

I find our European friends responses to my posts INCREDIBLY enlightening. Both skipped the question I was raising, but (unconciously?) answered it indirectly. I will ask it again POINTEDLY for a direct response. Is it moral to make one man pay for another's medical care?

(please remember NOTHING is "Free". The doctors and nurses and others DO get paid or... should THEY work for "Free")

Well dread in Europe, or at least most of it the health care is free because the docters are payed by the goverment, and who pays the goverment? we do, all the millions/billions of tax money, and you could say "what about the people who don't pay taxes?" true very true, but everyone does pay taxes one way or another...

My PC well at least around a year ago was worth a little over 1000Euros, since i kept expanding it more and more and it seems the component price reduction has come to a halt AKA the components i bought then aren't any cheaper now.
But if you think 1000Euros of wich in Spain i payed a 18% taxes AKA 180Euros of my own pc went to the goverment.
As in gasolin we pay 18% direct taxes +5% for the part of the country we live in + the Indirect taxes the goverments put on them.
So to be real here our taxes go to the goverments and on anything we buy we already pay 18% taxes, and it isn't optional now like i said part of these taxes go to the goverment that funds the health care, so souldn't we all get health care?

Also "is it moral to make one man pay for another's medical care?"
Better question, is it moral to let another man die because he can't afford a health care?

Yet due to the fact this goverment isn't able to help themselfs out of this crysis, meaning the goverment itself has little money + Spain has 40 or 45 million people of wich 4,7 Million don't have a job, and the yought so we are talking round the 20's 40% doesn't have a job, that's every 4/10 people you see on the street don't have a job.
So hence the goverment due to the increasement of the crysis wanted to cut of certain "moneywasting" things, starting with schools and health care

So now i'm wondering the social sectors are losing money wich means less money to pay people wich means they will need to fire people....
But the social sectors are losing funds, yet the funds towards the military are increasing, even tough many of you think "the military is there to protect the country" on wich i could partly agree on...but still it's a waste of money i mean Japan doesn't have an army after what happened in WW2

So Japan doesn't have an army...besides idk maybe terrorism why the heck would you need an army? in Europe there can't be wars between the countries...else you get kicked out of the European union wich noone wants(Greece recently agreed on the fact they cannot solve their own economy and the rest of Europe has now control over their Economy to solve their crysis)
Daily Spain spends MILLIONS of Euros towards an Army that's technicly just sitting there...but we are going to cut of funds of health care and education....

Really?

MT

[MATTHEW'S_DAD]

Also "is it moral to make one man pay for another's medical care?"
Better question, is it moral to let another man die because he can't afford a health care?

Still didn't answer it. I'll help......It is immoral to MAKE one man pay for another man's medical care.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

Still didn't answer it. I'll help......It is immoral to MAKE one man pay for another man's medical care.

Okay ill help as well, since this is another conflict point.
Yes it is immoral to make one man pay for the others health care, yet it is also immoral to let a man die if he doesn't have money to get a health insurance.
There is however a diffrence between not being able to afford a health care and just not having one....

Like i said before, in Europe we all pay Taxes, taxes go to health care, health care takes care of us, it's all a cicle

[Yanoda]

Is it moral to make one man pay for another's medical care? (please remember NOTHING is "Free". The doctors and nurses and others DO get paid or... should THEY work for "Free")

If you see someone injured/sick that can be life threatening if nothing is done and you are fully aware of the circumstances. What will you do?

A. Would you help the individual to save his/her life, knowing you will likely not receive anything back in return?
Or
B. Would you leave the individual alone, knowing that you will not receive anything in return and knowing that he/she will die if the proper care is not provided?

Is it Moral to put a price tag on a human life?

Again I ask a moral question. is it moral to take someone's money simply because they have it?

You forget that the corporations received money from the tax payers to help them avoid being bankrupt (do to their own actions), would it not be fair for the Government & the People to at least demand that money back?
Don't forget that several Corporations/Rich individuals use loop holes to bypass the obligation to pay their share of the Taxes.
Those that earn more have more disposable income (after taxes, fees, groceries, insurance etc.) they can at least give a little more without affecting their quality of life while enabling other less well off families the possibility of having a quality of life.

If we eliminate taxes, what will happen to the infrastructure, public schools, military, laws protecting consumers (environmental regulations included), public transportation, etc.?
Concerning the question above, I would like to see a town and/or several towns to participate in a project simulation where no one has to pay taxes, little or no government, everything is funded based on the individuals wish and/or privately funded. I say up to 10 years would be sufficient to see whether that kind of system works (as several advocate it).

Just my 2 cents

Cheers

Yanoda

[(SWGO)Kren]

If you see someone injured/sick that can be life threatening if nothing is done and you are fully aware of the circumstances. What will you do?

A. Would you help the individual to save his/her life, knowing you will likely not receive anything back in return?
Or
B. Would you leave the individual alone, knowing that you will not receive anything in return and knowing that he/she will die if the proper care is not provided?

Is it Moral to put a price tag on a human life?

You guys need to think about Yanoda's question a little bit more.

To further expand on the above, you see a child is very ill whose parents are having financial issues due to one or both of them losing their jobs. Is it right for the child to die?

Some of the posts that have come up with over the last year get's me thinking what type of utopian society are you really looking for? The way some of you think is quite chilling.

Society has endured WW2 and the master race ideals from Germany. Let me refresh your memory or a least inform you as to what Nazi political strategy was about: it was aimed to exterminate and enforce segregation upon degenerates and asocial groups within society be that of a religious, sexual, race orientated and the physically/mentally disabled.

If you guys are now thinking along those lines it might be worth taking a look in the mirror and figure out who you really are?

I can appreciate that the way health care is operating does not work but to start thinking along the lines of ignoring suffering etc. isn’t the way forward. Look at what is causing the issues and prevent that rather than targeting the people who are suffering due the failure of the Health or any other service.