Why MT doesn't believe in this.

[Yanoda]

MT... I don't know if you were serious or not...
If you were just joking, plz do a better job.
If you were serious... please do some fact checking! I know you're not that great with English, but it was tedious trying to understand what you were trying to convey.

HERE GOES...
Earth's radius is ~6,371 Km (Diameter ~ 12,742 Km) way off from 40,000 Km. http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/pro ... ject=Earth
Earth's rotation is indeed 24 hours, but varying the speed of the rotation will not change the average temperatures.
No/Slow axial rotation leads to longer days, which will cause temperatures in the daytime to be warmer, whereas nighttime will become cooler. Stronger temperature differences but at a slower frequency.
Fast axial rotation will cause days to become shorter. Days will not be as warm and nights won't become as cool. Lower Temperature differences but at a higher frequency.
If Earth's axial rotation is the same rate as the Earth's rotation around the Sun where one side of the planet always faces the Sun (Tidal locked) and the other side in perpetual darkness, there would be extreme temperature differences but no frequency changes. The area (forgot the name) between the extremes will have moderate temperatures but likely have extreme weather conditions (if atmosphere is present).
If Earth is to suddenly lose half of its weight or gain double its weight at the current orbital distance from the sun, with the current orbital angular velocity (orbital period)... then yes, the Earth would leave its current orbital path. Either towards or away from the Sun. Jupiter has a larger radius and mass than Earth, but it doesn't travel towards the Sun. This is due to the fact that Jupiter is further away from the Sun and Gravity has less effect on it. Another reason is because Jupiter's orbital period is ~11.9 times longer than Earth's. http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/com ... t2=Jupiter
You do realize that we came after the Earth was 'created'. Meaning that our solar system (including Earth) could be on the other side of the 'known' Universe and you would still be asking the same question, kind of redundant if you ask me. We wouldn't be here in the first place if the conditions weren't met before hand. If the planet was going at a faster angular velocity, it would leave the sun. If the planet was going at a slower velocity, it would go towards the Sun, denying the possibility of life to develop in the first place.
Earth's orbit is not a circle, it is elliptical. Earth's distance from the Sun varies from ~147 million Km (closest to the Sun) to ~152 million Km (farthest from the Sun). Earth's distance change is ~5 million Km, way more than 5000 Km you claim and life is still thriving. http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/pro ... tem=Metric

This is all for now.

Cheers

Yanoda

[Mandalore]

As with most people arguing for the existence of a deity, you ignore the monumental problem that the creation of such an entity would entail. Hell, you think making a universe (multiverse?) is difficult, try making the maker of the universe. The creation of a God is a far more complicated task than the creation of anything else. While evolution, the big bang theory, etc are sometimes difficult to grasp in their scale the arrogance needed to think that our puny brains can handle anything as infinite as the mind of a "God" is incredibly astounding. Regardless of this, the odds just favor deity-less solutions.

I'm guessing someone's going to pop in with a "lol he's god he's just totes there!!111" statement?

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

MT, if they did teach you the stuff you claim they do in your school, you wouldn't need to be asking some of the questions you are. I'm not very physics-literate, so I won't open my mouth on that aspect of your post (if only some Creationists took this same approach in real life). However, in regards to your section on evolution, it's very clear that you simply haven't learned about it in detail. That doesn't mean the theory of natural selection is wrong. It means you don't understand it.

Btw MT, "biological life"? I've never heard of "non-biological life".

1- I did learn about all this on school, but it has been like 4 years, i tend to forget and to be quite honest education is spain isn't THAT detailed, i mean in Spain i recall quite a few teachers refering to the education in the USA

2- Ever heared about a DNA computer? you never know what they hide

lol MT, has dread being giving you some lessons on how to write large posts?

What exactly are you asking here? Do you want to know why we came into being, how was this possible or are you saying you believe in the evolution theory, the big bang (if you want to use that phrase) or both. Just getting a bit confused that's all?

Well i'm asking more or less your toughts on this, i'm saying i do NOT believe nor in the evolution theory, nor in the big bang theory, and nowadays i tend to say the "way" on whatever i think, i don't think something because i was tought to think it, like i said in the other thread i make up my mind based on proof.
And it just seemed interesting to post all this, especially with 2-4 VERY smart members who can actually...well not really debate but explain their views and what they found on the topic.
And about large posts, i already said it could just take up an entire page or more, i could also start with the fact the rain comes out in little drops while it could come out all at once and ending all of our lifes, yet such an enourmous weight also considering the gravity from such hight makes it imposible to explain why the rain falls in little drops, cientists haven't figuered this out yet...

SEE! your making me write again!

@Yanoda

1- no i'm not making a joke
2- Yes i did mess up some things as i can see
3- The Earth's equatorial circle is 40.075KM
4- I missed in the distance from the sun to the earth...a little more then a minor miscalculation, however if the Earth's equatorial circle would be 5000Km bigger or smaller gravity change would pull it out of it's orbit wich would eventually end life, do consider that it would also depend on wich parts would be smaller
5- Indeed but i'm not claiming this is happening, i'm claiming that the big bang theory in my eyes are just too many "coincidences" to actually put the earth right in the correct place.

MT

[toad]

Big bang, no big ban, the universe is expanding, the universe is contracting. Boring!!!! Be like WD-40, slam down sum Rum, curse the current president, hump your wife/brother/whatever's legg, then pass-out. That's WAY MORE fun!!!

As for evolution they have proven the rough outline on how "life" could start from base chemicals to amino acids to simple forms to more complex "life" forms. Sprinkle with luck, bake for 4.5 billion years and you have our current dreary existence as we know it. If want the details, I am feeling toadish at the moment, Google it. There is tons of stuff out there, they are just tying up some lose end on some of the research from what I last read.

Oh and it is...

science not cience
cells not cel
nucleus not core
as for cellular lifespan I would look up some fascinating researching on telomerase

@Mandy: Science helps to unmask the mysteries of the universe, faith allows us to cope with the wait.

[Corpse]

Yeah, if it was different. But it's not different.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

@Mandy

Yes but saying that the "mind" of god would be too complex doesn't make the big bang theory right.
And to be quite fair life is complex.

@Toad

Sorry for the gramer, i just need some rest.

Also i did another background check, if the earth would indeed be smaller and imagening it's gravity would not change then yes you could say the earth would remain in the same orbit, yet the magnetic field around the earth would be smaller, hence the solar winds would destroy our atmosphere and soon our planet would look much like mars.
The gravity that i mistook is the moons since cientists believe the moon keeps the earth in it's orbit, life without the moon would be imposible.

[Corpse]

Yeah, life is complex. But evolution by natural selection is the only credible explanation for this complexity that I've come across.

[Yanoda]

3- The Earth's equatorial circle is 40.075KM

MT

It's not equatorial circle, the proper term is Circumference.

4- I missed in the distance from the sun to the earth...a little more then a minor miscalculation, however if the Earth's equatorial circle would be 5000Km bigger or smaller gravity change would pull it out of it's orbit wich would eventually end life
MT

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Also i did another background check, if the earth would indeed be smaller and imagening it's gravity would not change then yes you could say the earth would remain in the same orbit, yet the magnetic field around the earth would be smaller, hence the solar winds would destroy our atmosphere and soon our planet would look much like mars.

1. If the conditions weren't met before hand then it would deny the possibility of life to develop in the first place. Meaning, we (us humans) wouldn't be here if the conditions weren't right.
2. Mars still has an atmosphere albeit not as dense as Earth. Consists of ~95% CO2, ~ 3% N2, 1.6 % Ar and traces of water and oxygen.
3. The chances Earth's magnetic field (Magnetosphere) would deteriorate in the next million-billion years is slim. The Magnetic Field does undergo Polar shifts. It has does this many, many times over the course of Earth's history and the Atmosphere hasn't changed much (or left) in Earth's lifetime.
4. The Moon was much closer to the Earth when the solar system was young (~ 4 billion years ago) and has been consistently been drifting away from the Earth so far and will continue to do so. Guess what, the Earth is still in its orbit around the sun. It is also the reason why the Earth's axial rotation is slower today than 4 billion years ago.
5. Life can still exist without the Moon. Life just 'adapted' to the effects of the Moon on the Earth.

Do some research, it will do you good.

Cheers

Yanoda

[Sir Bang]

Ooh and Bang, one of the most convincing theories I've heard was that the first self-replicating molecules have their origins in geothermal vents on the ocean floor. There are some really well thought-out steps involved in it- you should ask your teachers about it, it's pretty cool.

Yeah, I remember seeing something about that. Pretty convincing.

Infact I think there's supposed to be some on Jupiter's moon, Europa, but it'll no doubt be a while before a probe's sent. Guess ET'll have to wait another 30 odd years

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

It's not equatorial circle, the proper term is Circumference.

1. If the conditions weren't met before hand then it would deny the possibility of life to develop in the first place. Meaning, we (us humans) wouldn't be here if the conditions weren't right.
2. Mars still has an atmosphere albeit not as dense as Earth. Consists of ~95% CO2, ~ 3% N2, 1.6 % Ar and traces of water and oxygen.
3. The chances Earth's magnetic field (Magnetosphere) would deteriorate in the next million-billion years is slim. The Magnetic Field does undergo Polar shifts. It has does this many, many times over the course of Earth's history and the Atmosphere hasn't changed much (or left) in Earth's lifetime.
4. The Moon was much closer to the Earth when the solar system was young (~ 4 billion years ago) and has been consistently been drifting away from the Earth so far and will continue to do so. Guess what, the Earth is still in its orbit around the sun. It is also the reason why the Earth's axial rotation is slower today than 4 billion years ago.
5. Life can still exist without the Moon. Life just 'adapted' to the effects of the Moon on the Earth.

Do some research, it will do you good.

Cheers

Yanoda

Sorry yanoda i had to pull this "El círculo ecuatorial" trew the google translator since i'm not so good in speaking about these topics in english, everyday english sure but not this kinda stuff, google failed me again and made "equatorial circle" out of it, wich i sould have seen comming since it does a direct translation.

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Indeed but i'm not claiming this is happening, i'm claiming that the big bang theory in my eyes are just too many "coincidences" to actually put the earth right in the correct place.

5- Life can adapt to the effects of the moon, but i doubt the earth would adapt without the moon keeping it in it's orbit.(I'm saying it's also lucky we have the moon, not that the moon will disapear and we all will die)

MT