Why MT doesn't believe in this.

[Bryant]

You could probably be a good politician, already using ridiculous statements to 'prove' your points.

Ridiculous? What I was trying to convey was that Evolution (in scientific terms) is inherent in the world & universe, just like Gravity is inherent in the world & Universe.

Concerning Probability about amino acids:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html
This explains everything about your last post MT.

In science, we do not go in the direction of God/Deity. They/it cannot be measured, researched or analyzed, therefore we cannot say that God(s) exist.
Reading and enjoying the Bible is OK, but don't equate it to science and research. There are many things that are flawed within the Bible in explaining phenomenons in our world, written by humans ('who believed the Earth was flat') that lived over 2000 years ago.
7000 Thousand years in cosmological terms is still very, very short. As a vague example: 7000 years in cosmological time is like 1 second of human life.

It is ridiculous. Evolution is only a theory, with no proof. And gravity is a law which can actually be tested and observed without fail. Evolution is only a valid theory because it is needed to get from what would have been a simple world to the complex one we are in now. Amino acids formation is a good step, but it is not life. It still doesn't answer my chicken and the egg problem in my first post. Now I'll use your own "2000 years is short in cosmological time" against you. Evolution is a long process so it cannot be proven in the short period that we've had in recorded history.

The bible doesn't even attempt to explain phenenom and is not flawed. By the way, people believed the world was round before they thought it was flat.

And you're right: God is beyond science. But that doesn't mean his existence is not evident.

[haasd0gg]

Someone plz pm me when someone proves the origin of our existence on this star wars forum. I tried to read, but my ADD said "no"...

[THEWULFMAN]

We need to simplify what we are trying to define here people.

@MT, Let's not worry about hell or anything that has nothing to do with what we are talking about. You seem to have missed a few important thing's I said, or you just ignored them. Did you read my post HERE?

The bible is written by people, humans. Humans make mistakes. The bible gets translated wrong, parts are removed, parts are changed to suit the needs of the people in charge (i. e. Romans). Allow me to make myself clear here, I am a Christian. I just think the bible is almost impossible to use as a fact book, especially the old testament. Actually, mainly just the old testament.

So let's focus on something simple. Let's not worry about how long God has been around, or all that jazz. Let's just try to come to an understanding on a few things first.

If God created Man, how did he do it? My answer: Evolution. In order to explain it to the simple human brain of 4000BC or whenever Adam and Eve supposedly where arround, he made it over simplified (i.e. Genesis). Which, btw, there's no way Adam and Eve are the parents of the entire human race. We know this.
If God created the universe, how did he do it? My answer: The big bang. Doesn't get any more spectacular way for god to create it all.

Another thing, why wouldn't God want us to find all this out? I heard someone say that he would never let people in on his master plan. Why not? Wouldn't he/she/it want us to figure it all out? I think it would be the greatest mark of our success as a species. God would be like: OMM(On my me), THEY FINALLY DID IT!

"the circle of earth" not the flat of earth.

*facepalm*

A circle is not a sphere. A circle is flat. A sphere is not flat.

Basically it means absolutely nothing.

Sorry for forgetting to add:
Note, the bible is translated from hebrew and greek
Note, this language(hebrew) didn't have vowels
Note, the Biblical Hebrew word for “circle” (חוג—chuwg) can also mean “round” or “sphere.”

The Hebrew word Chug (חוג) means a flat-circle like a coin. The Hebrew word for a sphere like a ball is Dur (דור).

"He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball (Dur) into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house." (Isaiah 22:18)

The Hebrew language lacked a specific term for sphere as well as terminology for infinite space. The word Chug, as described above and as used, in context with other words in Isaiah cannot be used to prove that the Bible teaches a flat earth or a round earth. Dur is not exclusively a word for sphere.

Is. 29:3 "And I will camp against thee round about, and will lay siege against thee with a mount, and I will raise forts against thee."

Obviously the soldier would not camp around a sphere but encircle the city. Basically it's a moot point, there's no way to use the bible to try and say they knew the Earth was round, or flat for that er.

@haasd0gg

Copy that

[Yanoda]

It is ridiculous. Evolution is only a theory, with no proof. And gravity is a law which can actually be tested and observed without fail. Evolution is only a valid theory because it is needed to get from what would have been a simple world to the complex one we are in now. Amino acids formation is a good step, but it is not life. It still doesn't answer my chicken and the egg problem in my first post. Now I'll use your own "2000 years is short in cosmological time" against you. Evolution is a long process so it cannot be proven in the short period that we've had in recorded history.

The bible doesn't even attempt to explain phenenom and is not flawed. By the way, people believed the world was round before they thought it was flat.

And you're right: God is beyond science. But that doesn't mean his existence is not evident.

Please re-read my previous posts giving the scientific definition of Evolution, Hypothesis, Theory and Law, then refute.

'Evolution of Life through Natural Selection' is what you're trying to refute.
Ever heard of the Peppered Moth in Britain? This is a simple example of the concept of 'Evolution of Life through Natural Selection' at a reasonable time frame (for Humans). Do read about it, then refute.

Cheers

Yanoda

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

@Wulfman

1. I didn't worry about hell i was responding to someone's question FYI
2. Humans make mistakes, and parts get removed, for instance the churches removed god's name from the bible, claiming it is too holy to speak out loud, wich is clearly in conflict with Exodus 9:16 "But, in fact, for this cause I have kept you in existence, for the sake of showing you my power and in order to have my name declared in all the earth."
3. Please don't copy/paste me crap from http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_the_Hebrew_word_Chuwg_mean_a_flat_circle_like_a_coin_or_a_sphere_Isaiah_C40_verse_22 some say cicle some say circle and sphere, i do think there are words with more then one meaning? and isn't hebrew a dead language that hasn't been spoken for almost 2000 years? point being they never spoke about the earth being flat.
4. The problem is that the bible has been translated and by many religions edited like you said, try getting the unedited version.
IS. 29:3 And I must encamp on all sides against you, and I must lay siege to you with a palisade and raise up against you siegeworks.

FYI you sould look into this.

IS. 42:9 “The first things—here they have come, but new things I am telling out. Before they begin to spring up, I cause YOU people to hear [them].”
Mathew 24: 6,7 YOU are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet.
“For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.
Ecclesiastes 8:9 "All this I have seen, and there was an applying of my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, [during] the time that man has dominated man to his injury."
I would add the round of the earth to this, but heck now you think it's a penny, wait wasn't the Flat earth a square?

MT

[Yanoda]

FYI you sould look into this.

IS. 42:9 “The first things—here they have come, but new things I am telling out. Before they begin to spring up, I cause YOU people to hear [them].”
Mathew 24: 6,7 YOU are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet.
“For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.
Ecclesiastes 8:9 "All this I have seen, and there was an applying of my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, [during] the time that man has dominated man to his injury."
I would add the round of the earth to this, but heck now you think it's a penny, wait wasn't the Flat earth a square?

MT

I don't know what you're trying to convey here...

Check the series 'Why do People Laugh at Creationists', a lot of your questions/assumptions are talked about there.

Cheers

Yanoda

[Corpse]

I managed to get to page 4 before getting frustrated and giving up.

Science is interesting, and if you don't agree, you can [m'kay] off.

I personally don't give a flying [m'kay] if a bunch of Creationists only learn about science so that they can try find holes in it and fill them with "GOD". I want to study biochemistry at university, and hopefully will be doing so in a year's time. Yes, there are so many things we don't know too much about the origin of life, and so many disagreements within the scientific community on innumerable topics. That doesn't mean that scientific explanations for things are wrong, it means they're incomplete. Progress will be made and I look forward to learning about it.

[THEWULFMAN]

Let's just drop the whole flat earth/round earth thing, it's not adding to the conversation and you're missing the important bits. Which you seem to want to aruge with me, when my whole point was that the bible isn't specific to a flat or round earth, ever. FYI, I will copy paste from anywhere I please(that I deem accurate with other sources), this is the internet after all, on a star wars gaming forum no less. Oh, and not all depictions of the earth were square, some were round. Besides, you're missing my first points you have failed to address at all.

Read this, again. Answer my points. If you do not address my points of humans being animals with a proper rebuttal, then I will have no choice but to not respect other points you are trying to make. You brought it up originally, I answered you, now it's your turn.


This is why religion and politics should stay out of a forum.

[WD-40]

So the bottom line in all this is:

1) If you believe in 'God', you have 'Faith'.

2) If you believe in the 'Big Bang/Evolution', you have 'Theory'.

'Neither' of which is 'provable' in the world which we exist.

by the way...How can you 'prove' that you, in fact, 'exist'?!?

[THEWULFMAN]

How can you 'prove' that you, in fact, 'exist'?!?

I think, therefore I am.