Why MT doesn't believe in this.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

As a side note: Hebrew isn't a dead language, not even close.

I meant classic hebrew, aka the language half of the bible was written in.

Also i forgot the main thing i wanted to say from the start.
Imagen you got all the components to make a Nespresso coffie machine, now put them in a box.
shake the box as long as you want, billion of years if needed, now what are the chances that upon opening the box you got a nespresso machine?

MT

[Darth Crater]

Also i forgot the main thing i wanted to say from the start.
Imagen you got all the components to make a Nespresso coffie machine, now put them in a box.
shake the box as long as you want, billion of years if needed, now what are the chances that upon opening the box you got a nespresso machine?

MT

Incredibly low. But, imagine that you're going to keep doing this, over and over, as many times as it takes until the thing you pull out of the box can make you a cup of coffee. If it's at all possible for it to happen, it will.

[WD-40]

How can you 'prove' that you, in fact, 'exist'?!?

I think, therefore I am.

But 'how' can you prove that you are, in fact, 'thinking' in some reality?..I and everyone else could be a fake reality. Problem is, 'thinking' or your perception of thinking doesn't prove you exist anymore than you can prove God is real. I believe he is Real and He created everything. Beyond that…I don't really give a flying [m'kay].

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

But 'how' can you prove that you are, in fact, 'thinking' in some reality?..I and everyone else could be a fake reality. Problem is, 'thinking' or your perception of thinking doesn't prove you exist anymore than you can prove God is real. I believe he is Real and He created everything. Beyond that…I don't really give a flying [m'kay].

Well everything is made out of atoms, atoms are made out of air, how come we don't fall trew the floor?

Incredibly low. But, imagine that you're going to keep doing this, over and over, as many times as it takes until the thing you pull out of the box can make you a cup of coffee. If it's at all possible for it to happen, it will.

Even tough many scientists do say the chances are not low, but "zero"....also the components would break if you shaked it for that long
Yet can you tell me who designed this "nespresso" machine, as for some reason in the creation of a simple protein molecule you need the exact pattern, not just a ramdom order, just like the nespresso machince it cannot be ramdomly made, but science has no explinacion for the reason why it has to be this specific patern, and not a ramdom one.

[Darth Crater]

But 'how' can you prove that you are, in fact, 'thinking' in some reality?..I and everyone else could be a fake reality. Problem is, 'thinking' or your perception of thinking doesn't prove you exist anymore than you can prove God is real. I believe he is Real and He created everything. Beyond that…I don't really give a flying [m'kay].

Well everything is made out of atoms, atoms are made out of air, how come we don't fall trew the floor?

Matter is made up of atoms. Atoms are not made up of air; in fact, the opposite is true. We don't fall through the floor because the molecules in our feet and the molecules in the floor repel each other. Not sure where you're going with this.

Oh, and it's pretty much impossible for us to tell if we're "real" or being simulated somehow, so don't worry about it.

Even tough many scientists do say the chances are not low, but "zero"....also the components would break if you shaked it for that long
Yet can you tell me who designed this "nespresso" machine, as for some reason in the creation of a simple protein molecule you need the exact pattern, not just a ramdom order, just like the nespresso machince it cannot be ramdomly made, but science has no explinacion for the reason why it has to be this specific patern, and not a ramdom one.

There is nothing to indicate that you can't get amino acids or proteins by randomly combining elements. I remember someone earlier on the thread mentioning a study where this was caused in a lab, so it seems that it is indeed possible (sorry for not looking this up myself; I'll try to do so later). As for the components breaking, that's a flaw in my metaphor; maybe I should say you have an arbitrarily large number of those boxes, instead.

[Mandalore]

Different tack from the creationists' this time in ignoring my wittle thoughtz.

The creation of a God is far more complex and has a lower probability of occurring than even the creation of the universe. And also it really depends on your definition of "something." I believe the CERN labatory in Europe has created "anti-matter" which if you consider er as "something" is literally "nothing." Given that we have only been able to create comparatively small amounts of it in a laboratory and it has not been discovered outside of a laboratory (our space exploration is complete [poo]) we can't truly speak as to whether anti-matter created the universe as we know it.
Regardless, "God" is not the answer as the involvement of one creates a far larger and more complex problem than it solves. Quite unfortunate really.

P.S. to all my creationists buddies...why does duh Lawrd have such an erection for that [poo] hole on our planet, the middle east? Or more specifically Jerusalem/Israel. Must be history's greatest [m'kay] over. (The promised land is a desert with few natural resources, perpetually surrounded by enemies.) The rest of the middle east at least has generally hosted some pretty nice cultural achievements with the various Persian and subsequent Islamic states.

Edit: I just read Bryant's statement about Adam and Eve. This is my response. HHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA (To be read like "Master chief Sucks At Halo" with his haymayhahmayahahahah type stuff.

[nobody]

Reading all those wikipedia quotes I got feeling that this topic has been made for checking who is bigger smartass.

[Col. Hstar]

So Mandalore if you walk by a nice big house do you say to yourself

"I think that house just popped up, it would be much more complicated to assume it was designed by an architect, and built by a contractor"

Of course not that would be absurd. So how much more so then that something so unique and "complex" as this planet and human life just popped up?

[Yanoda]

Well everything is made out of atoms, atoms are made out of air, how come we don't fall trew the floor?

Imagen you got all the components to make a Nespresso coffie machine, now put them in a box.
shake the box as long as you want, billion of years if needed, now what are the chances that upon opening the box you got a nespresso machine?
MT

Yet can you tell me who designed this "nespresso" machine, as for some reason in the creation of a simple protein molecule you need the exact pattern, not just a ramdom order, just like the nespresso machince it cannot be ramdomly made, but science has no explinacion for the reason why it has to be this specific patern, and not a ramdom one.

[Mandalore]

So Mandalore if you walk by a nice big house do you say to yourself

"I think that house just popped up, it would be much more complicated to assume it was designed by an architect, and built by a contractor"

Of course not that would be absurd. So how much more so then that something so unique and "complex" as this planet and human life just popped up?

That's not absurd at all. While you make the mistake of crossing biological beings with a manufactured item, one is far less probable than the other. Human beings are far more complex than a house. I think that the example actually gives away your mind set. Feebly small in scope and rooted in what you know. And I think we can both agree that the construction of human beings is far more of a mystery than the construction of a house. And if we want to nit pick, there *are* naturally made shelters that we can utilize as a living space.

The argument you're making is that the creation of humans creates far higher odds that a house will be made, which it does. But the creation of humans was a long shot that was quite remarkable in terms of its odds (if not its practical application-we'll see once we have a good part of the galaxy explored). Complex as humans are we would be nothing in comparison to an eternal entity whose omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. Those odds make the creation of the universe (a far simpler prospect-especially if you think the universe is finite) relatively safe in comparison. And that's just the creation of an entity without the feelings that this supposed Lord has. To get a near human like being whose eternal etc etc etc would be something like 1/infinity^infinity X infinity^infinity. And then the odds of him picking a single book to capture his infinite mind...wow those odds....

I think we like the idea of a God because it simplifies the concepts of life....in our own minds. Why is something like that? Well...I guess God did it. Why do we hate those people? Well, God hates them sonny. (Poor Canaanites)

P.S. When you're trying to make analogies like the one you made, I'd suggest going with something along the lines of cloning. It supports your argument better given the complexity of life.

Regardless there are moral reasons not to bow down to the genocidal freak of Yahweh but that's for another thread. :P