Why MT doesn't believe in this.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

Under no circumstances is genocide the correct answer. Samuel 15:2-3 being a great example of how barbaric this sky fairy must be if he exists. And there are a few verses in Joshua, Numbers, and I think Joshua as well where there is a nice bit of slaughtering, pillaging, and raping. FUN STUFF.

Yes it is fun stuff and i love debating it.
The problem is there were more then just 10 laws, even tough the 6th base law was that we can't kill someone, there was a law that a brother was allowed to avenge the death of his sister, wich would be a conflict if it wasn't for the word "ratsach" instead of explaining the whole ratsach thing ill give you a link.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/notkill.html

@Yanoda

1-IF you look back and re-check like 5 of my posts you will note that i said "evolution theory" there is a diffrence between the "evolution theory" wich is how some scientists believe life came to be and "evolution" wich is the change of life over time
Some scientists do not believe in "the evolution theory" while they do believe in evolution, if i said it diffrent in any of my posts i apologise for this confusion as there are barely any scientists that do believe god made life.

2-About what god is the correct one your refering to religion and not to "is there A god" most religions messed up this part,

3-Yes you have to provide data on if a god exists, however scientificly it's imposible to gather "data" on this, wich is the main reason scientists do not believe in a god.
However as for myself:

1- I cannot believe that all the life that fits like a puzzel together can be made a a "ramdom"(as it it happening on it's own) boom and a theory of somehow simple cells getting into complex ones
2- Scientists even tough they can study cells as much as they like cannot figuere out(yet) how naturally everything in life, from simple cells to DNA has a pattern, it all has a certain design, and i don't believe this could happen by nature, especially not in the way scientists say it.
3- Everything i have read in the bible so far has in one way or another either been proven right, or not prooven at all, i don't find anything prooven wrong, ill give some examples of these:
3.1- For starters, ill go with "noah"'s story, ever looked up the dimensions for the "ark" he had to build?
Gen 6:14,15 Make for yourself an ark out of wood of a resinous tree. You will make compartments in the ark, and you must cover it inside and outside with tar. And this is how you will make it: three hundred cubits the length of the ark, fifty cubits its width, and thirty cubits its height.

Now 1, how did they know they had to use tar? 2 these dimencions are the ones that are currently ussed did they just guess em? beat the odds?
Gen 8:4 And in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ar´a·rat
These mountains are now covered with snow, so the ark cannot be found...wich out of my concusion can't proove in this way that this did or didn't happen

3.2 The red sea story, you all must have read about the see spliting in 2 and Israel after they left Egypte went into it, and the egyptian army died there when the see closed.
Now what some scientists say is that it would have been imposble since the see where they supposed to cross was 1400M deep, however one part of this see isn't wich is closer to 200M deep however scientists also say the water could have been lower at that time wich would have enabled Israel to cross it...very true.
Now check this link(sorry it is in spanish but the bottom pictures are very clear)
http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/oxford/1163/id17.htm
So basicly their telling they found egyptian like war chariots in that part of the red sea...hmmm now if you go back to history Egypte was a world power, and nothing could equal them especially in military, now how did Israel wich weren't warriors at that time, especially since they just left the oppresion of egypte, beat the most terrible army of that time?

3.3 Iv'e already posted some bible passages on how the bible predicted what would happen in the future and you cannot deny they are happening.

There are plenty more examples to make a post have an overflow of info....

This is my logic, sorry if others don't think it's logical, but FYI i find this thread very insteresting, i haven't had so much thinking to do in years

MT

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

That Yahoo Answer you post cites no sources, is poorly written (it seems to mean 1 in 10^950, not 1 in 10950), and based on its including this number in the "question" can only be seen as propaganda. Show me that same number (1 in 10^950) from a reputable source, and I'll still contest that that number is absolutely insane and impossible.

indeed hence why i said "i googled" i find it lacking, but since you all want more reliable links here are some links:
http://www.evolutiondeceit.com/chapter11_1.php< this one contains the exact calculation on wich 10^950 is based( and it's far worse then 1 in a billion)
http://www.harunyahya.com/evolutiondeceit10.php

[Mandalore]

Under no circumstances is genocide the correct answer. Samuel 15:2-3 being a great example of how barbaric this sky fairy must be if he exists. And there are a few verses in Joshua, Numbers, and I think Joshua as well where there is a nice bit of slaughtering, pillaging, and raping. FUN STUFF.

Yes it is fun stuff and i love debating it.
The problem is there were more then just 10 laws, even tough the 6th base law was that we can't kill someone, there was a law that a brother was allowed to avenge the death of his sister, wich would be a conflict if it wasn't for the word "ratsach" instead of explaining the whole ratsach thing ill give you a link.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/notkill.html

This is my logic, sorry if others don't think it's logical, but FYI i find this thread very insteresting, i haven't had so much thinking to do in years

MT

The link was full of typical idiotic bull [poo] about how "OH HE'S GOD. IT'S ALL RIGHT" But it's not all right. I literally have no words for the amount of contempt that I feel for people who think that genocide under any guise is acceptable. I find it laughable that the Bible is still pointed to as an example of morality. If you want a wife go and rape a virgin. You'll have to pay 50 shekels to keep her but hey, you can't buy property for free am I right? Better rape now though, silver is up 10% this month!

[Yanoda]

1. I knew what you meant MT. My previous post also considered these 90% of Scientists that support the Theory of Evolution. (A theory is an explanation of how something works or how it happened, with several experiments & data validating the theory.)
2. Is there a God?
3. Don't nit pick passages/stories with the Bible.

1. The story of Noah... tell me how it is physically possible to put all the known animals (Several Millions of Species) inside one boat, how he was able to feed them all within that time frame without the animals eating each other, the story claims that water even covered the highest mountain which is physically impossible (what scientific research has come to the conclusion after many tests, models & experiments).
There are more things there that don't add up and you talk about Tar?! Tar has been used even before then and that if your proof that the Bible is all knowledgeable?! You claim the Ark is there at the peak of the mountain, now show the proof. If one cannot find the Ark, you can't say the Ark is there as Truth. Your statement is invalid.
2. Yes, Paleontologists & Geologists were able to confirm that the event has happened and was able to occur naturally (the water receding to enable one to cross). How does that equate that the Israelites defeated the Egyptian army? They (Egyptians) were just swept away by water and several drowned, the Israelites just fled, they did not defeat the army. I could say that this part of the Bible could be considered an ancient history book, not a science book.
3. What predictions? They are very vague and apparently mostly everyone who claims that the Bible foretold something is after the event happened (which can be interpreted differently). Ever heard of Nostradamus? Apparently some claim he predicted 9/11. Again, it was only after the event happened already. His statement were vague and could be interpreted in many different ways. If there is a prediction in the Bible that clearly states what will happen & when, those knowledgeable in the Bible give it public before the event actually occurs, then the specific event happens at that time, that is when the Bible is valid. What you gave were just vague passages that could have been interpreted in many different ways.
Nothing to prove that the Bible is accurate in Predicting.

indeed hence why i said "i googled" i find it lacking, but since you all want more reliable links here are some links:
http://www.evolutiondeceit.com/chapter11_1.php< this one contains the exact calculation on wich 10^950 is based( and it's far worse then 1 in a billion)
http://www.harunyahya.com/evolutiondeceit10.php

Again, like my previous post, these sites are full of Pseudoscience and BS. False citation (harunyahya), Attorneys as valid Evolution critics, quote mining etc. evolutiondeceit did not even post citations where the ratios were gotten, except quoting and citing from Encyclopedia Britannica. This does not quality as a valid paper disproving Evolution of Life. and I have posted several links and sites explaining why the odds of amino acid formation, protein formation etc. are more likely than what the creationists claim.

Yanoda

[Col. Hstar]

"I think we like the idea of a God because it simplifies the concepts of life" - Mandalore

I think some don't want to believe in God or a higher power because either, they don't want to give up the feeling of independence and control they have over their own life, or they have fallen into the false teachings and warped accusations about God. From your comments it sound a little like both. You refer to 1 Samuel 15:2,3 as claiming that God is a genocidal freak, but I think a little history is in order right now.

The Amalekites were an ancient group of nomadic marauders, much of the time they lived by plundering their more peaceful neighbors. The first meeting between the Amalekites and Israelites took place soon after the exodus from Egypt, at Rephidim, near Mount Sinai. Here the Amalekites made an unprovoked attack upon Israel, harassing their rear and cutting off the weak and weary – Ex 17:8-16 This was the first of numerous attacks against God people until in the days of King Saul did God finally have them destroyed.

Its also weird that you bring up Hitler, as when the rest of the world armies raised up against him it was to stop his vicious assaults against innocent people. You have reversed the roles to suit your argument, God UNLIKE Hitler did NOT attack first he protected his people just as Hitler and his forces were destroyed to protect others.

As far as your contempt for others, I suggest you base it on something more founded then the misdirected accusations and misinterpreted understanding of the Bible

[Col. Hstar]

I guess this posting has seriously digressed from the original thread point :)

[Yanoda]

Many who do not believe in a Deity do so because there is no definite evidence that show/indicate a Deity exists, not because they want no one to control them. There is the thing, the Bible can be interpreted in many different ways, this arises confusion and opposition among groups.
For a book that is supposed to explain everything and be the essence of truth, it does a poor job of making clear statements, predictions etc.

Cheers

Yanoda

[Col. Hstar]

Many who do not believe in a Deity do so because there is no definite evidence that show/indicate a Deity exists

That's true, it does take and amount of faith, but really, so does belief in evolution. Please don't think I am knocking anyone's belief but being that there is no hard evidence for either, we each must look at our own thoughts and see why we choose to believe what we do.

[Mandalore]

The comparison was quite valid. Both have committed genocide. There have been many successful wars without full scale genocide throughout history. The US didn't kill every German and Japanese person we could find when we won WW2 even though Japan provoked us. (although nothing is ever that simple, there was quite a bit of imperialistic tension for decades). And Hstar you have to remember that the Old Testament is essentially the history book of the Jews combined with different social policies and what not. I don't claim to be the knowledge master of the different groups that have been wiped out. For all we know the Israelites had been encroaching upon the Amelkites land. Or there had been tension for some time from relatively close proximity.

And you're right. Slavery here and hell after does not appeal to me.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

The comparison was quite valid. Both have committed genocide. There have been many successful wars without full scale genocide throughout history. The US didn't kill every German and Japanese person we could find when we won WW2 even though Japan provoked us.

However the atomic bomb wiped em all off the face of earth, innocent people as well, childred who had no knowledge of what was going on in the word, and after that mass destruction they dropped another know KNOWING what would happen.

If you want a wife go and rape a virgin. You'll have to pay 50 shekels to keep her but hey, you can't buy property for free am I right? Better rape now though, silver is up 10% this month!

Deuteronomy 22:28,29
“In case a man finds a girl, a virgin who has not been engaged, and he actually seizes her and lies down with her, and they have been found out, the man who lay down with her must also give the girl’s father fifty silver shekels, and she will become his wife due to the fact that he humiliated her. He will not be allowed to divorce her all his days.

In those times if a girl wasn't a virgin she couldn't get a husband, and in those times a wife without a husband was doomed to die since a woman couldn't survive on her own.
So if you killed the man who raped her then the girl is doomed to die? also note that he couldn't devorce her, and had to take care of her till he died....