Why MT doesn't believe in this.

[Mandalore]

Jim Jefferies is a comedian mate. And if I'm not mistaken, thousands of years would be a very accelerated adaptation in evolutionary terms.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

As Crater said, the atomic bomb was the better alternative. I think you're purposefully misrepresenting what I'm saying. We both know that in war innocents die. Genocide is the purposeful wiping out of everything that belongs to that nation.

I think the fact that you think you can understand the mind of an infinite being through a novel is quite amusing.

1- So the alternative to one evil is another evil? even tough you can state Japan deserved it, or whatever motive you did have a motive.
So Japan did something horrible(they bombed pearl harbor and were helping hitler dominate the world) on wich respons was nuke the [poo] out of them, so you had a reason to do this? note that in the link of all the B-S as you discibed it it states the meaning of the hebrew word in the 6th's base law "ratsach" wich refers to the intencional killing without cause.
Now we can't kill yet there was a law that stated a brother could avenge her sister if she was murdered Aka an eye for an eye.

2. I did not say i could understand the mind of an infinite, i'm just showing how "god" could be just like time, eternal, no beginning and no end, time didn't start as far as everyone is aware off hence why i said that we never hear about "once upon a time there was time" Somethings did not start and just are wich is giving me a headache just by thinking about it...

[Darth Crater]

As Crater said, the atomic bomb was the better alternative. I think you're purposefully misrepresenting what I'm saying. We both know that in war innocents die. Genocide is the purposeful wiping out of everything that belongs to that nation.

I think the fact that you think you can understand the mind of an infinite being through a novel is quite amusing.

1- So the alternative to one evil is another evil? even tough you can state Japan deserved it, or whatever motive you did have a motive.

Exactly. In choosing between two wrong alternatives, you pick the less wrong one. The goal was ending the war, and nuclear intimidation was LESS damaging than a full-scale invasion.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

Exactly. In choosing between two wrong alternatives, you pick the less wrong one. The goal was ending the war, and nuclear intimidation was LESS damaging than a full-scale invasion.

I agree with this crator, in face of 2 evils you MUST choose the lesser evil, so "IF" god knew that if the canaanites and all the other races that were there, (just like sodom and gommorah) were only going to bring more wrong to the world, and by letting something of them survive it would only get worse, wouldn't genocide mean that this wrong would be ensured to stop? instead of just invading and having a good chance of getting future conflicts later?
"when in face of 2 evils one much choose the lesser evil"

@Wulf
np mate i hope your mother gets well

MT

[Yanoda]

3.1- For starters, ill go with "noah"'s story, ever looked up the dimensions for the "ark" he had to build?
Gen 6:14,15 Make for yourself an ark out of wood of a resinous tree. You will make compartments in the ark, and you must cover it inside and outside with tar. And this is how you will make it: three hundred cubits the length of the ark, fifty cubits its width, and thirty cubits its height.

Now 1, how did they know they had to use tar? 2 these dimencions are the ones that are currently ussed did they just guess em? beat the odds?
Gen 8:4 And in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ar´a·rat
These mountains are now covered with snow, so the ark cannot be found...wich out of my concusion can't proove in this way that this did or didn't happen

1-Tar has been ussed before then, em before then? how much before? because basicly that was it, the story of noah doesn't come thousands of years after the story of adam and eve
Also note
Gen 2:4,5 This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.
Now there was as yet no bush of the field found in the earth and no vegetation of the field was as yet sprouting, because Jehovah God had not made it rain upon the earth and there was no man to cultivate the ground.

No rain, who said there were boats? also then where did they get water at that time.
Gen 2:10 now there was a river issuing out of E´den to water the garden, and from there it began to be parted and it became, as it were, four heads
Gen 6:15 And this is how you will make it: three hundred cubits the length of the ark, fifty cubits its width, and thirty cubits its height.
Did you even bother to look up how ENOURMOUS the ark would have been? Also who said animals ate animals before man's mistake? remember the earth was cursed

2- I do not claim the Israelites destroyed the Egyptians, i'm stating that if the ocean didn't split in 2 and crushed the egyptian army, then who did? they were the strongest and most feared army in their time.

The ocean didn't split, the water receded to enable the Israelites to cross. Meteorologists and Geologists say the water was able to recede due the wind and if there was low tide at the same time. I never denied your statement, just the point that if the Bible's story is (mostly) true, doesn't means that everything else in the Bible has to be true. Also, I would say the proper term would be 'drowned' the army rather than 'crushed', if you get what I mean

3- So the bible is being writen right now? or was the bible finished over almost 2000 years ago?
Mathew 24: 6,7 YOU are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet.
“For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.
Ecclesiastes 8:9 "All this I have seen, and there was an applying of my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, [during] the time that man has dominated man to his injury."

Aren't we seeing this things?

Very vague wording there buddy. People were able to report (via letters & courier) back in the day (over 2000 years ago). War has always been part of human history, nations (including kingdoms) have gone against each other. Food shortages have occurred in the past as well (blockade of a city until they run out of food/provisions as a common tactic). Earthquakes happened as well... Your point is invalid that the Bible foretells the future.

4- I did try to find the odds on the pages You posted, they only claim the odds are wrong, they aren't posting actual odds.
I did try to find this on the NASA but i'm confused by how to find this on their page

This is the link I was referring to (was in page 4 of the thread): http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html

This explains everything about your last post MT.

2. I did not say i could understand the mind of an infinite, i'm just showing how "god" could be just like time, eternal, no beginning and no end, time didn't start as far as everyone is aware off hence why i said that we never hear about "once upon a time there was time" Somethings did not start and just are wich is giving me a headache just by thinking about it...

If you don't understand the 'mind of an infinite', then why are you trying to indicate it as truth regardless?
The thing about time...
The time what we know is where we can measure how long ago something happened relative to what we set as guidelines (seconds,minutes,hours,year etc.).
To measure the age of something we use the period of the earth's rotation around the Sun as year, half-life (NOT THE GAME, but would be nice have the 3rd ) decay to measure geologic years (thousands up to billion years), use light as the best means to calculate the age of the universe (if it takes light 14 billion years from the farthest point of the Universe to reach us, we can assume/conclude that the Universe is at least 14 billions years old).
There is no way to measure time (with our current methods) before the existence of the Universe, does that mean time did not exist before?
If we say yes, then we need to conduct further research and collect data to prove that. Until then we cannot say that that it existed as truth.
If we say no, does that mean we're done and leave it at that? No! We keep trying to gain knowledge of other phenomenons to see what happened before the Universe (with our current understanding) came to be.

If we say God did it, then we already know the answer! No need to further research, why do it since we already know that an omnipotent Being did it. No need for proof or data or research to confirm it.

That is the difference MT why many (mostly scientists) say that Evolution (of Life), Study of the Universe etc. has more merit and credibility than a book that has been written over 1500 years ago and a Deity that needs constant attention (If you don't worship it, you will be punished either before and/or after death).

Yanoda

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

The ocean didn't split, the water receded to enable the Israelites to cross. Meteorologists and Geologists say the water was able to recede due the wind and if there was low tide at the same time. I never denied your statement, just the point that if the Bible's story is (mostly) true, doesn't means that everything else in the Bible has to be true. Also, I would say the proper term would be 'drowned' the army rather than 'crushed', if you get what I mean

4- I did try to find the odds on the pages You posted, they only claim the odds are wrong, they aren't posting actual odds.
I did try to find this on the NASA but i'm confused by how to find this on their page

This is the link I was referring to (was in page 4 of the thread): http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html

This explains everything about your last post MT.

Yanoda

1- If you want to do a facepalm without any explination you could try this one
2- So the ocean lvl was low enough for the Israelites to pass trew it, yet the egyptians drowned just because it was the time the tide changed, now what are the odds of that?
3- However was there ever such a great war like WWI or WWII? and earthquakes haven't been so frequently till now, nor have the deseases been so bad as now, i haven't heard about aids in before the 20th sentury...
4- The page reduces the odds, yet doesn't post the actuall odds of a protein randomly appearing, but their theory has a point as in increasing the chance, however their theory is a little too much for my mind atm, just asking here is this theory as valid as the one in that page?(this was from a mathematic's proffesor in some univirsity i don't recall the name off)

So if, after the fact, we observe the particular evolutionary path actually taken and then calculate the a priori probability of its being taken, we will get the minuscule probability that creationists mistakenly attach to the process as a whole. Here’s another example. We have a deck of cards before us. There are almost 10 to the 68th power – a one with 68 zeroes after it – orderings of the 52 cards in the deck. Any of the 52 cards might be first, any of the remaining 51 second, any of the remaining 50 third, and so on. This is a humongous number, but it’s not hard to devise even everyday situations that give rise to much larger numbers.

Now if we shuffle this deck of cards for a long time and then examine the particular ordering of the cards that happens to result, we would be justified in concluding that the probability of this particular ordering of the cards having occurred is approximately 1 chance in 10 to the 68th power. This certainly qualifies as minuscule. Still, we would not be justified in concluding that the shuffles could not have possibly resulted in this particular ordering because its a priori probability is so very tiny. Some ordering had to result from the shuffling, and this one did.

Just asking is this theory basicly what they said on the link you gave me?

[WD-40]

Wow!…You guys are deep!

[haasd0gg]

12 pages

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

12 pages

I created this thread on Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:18 pm
2 days 12 pages, is this a SWGO record? hall of fame?

[Darth Crater]

3- However was there ever such a great war like WWI or WWII? and earthquakes haven't been so frequently till now, nor have the deseases been so bad as now, i haven't heard about aids in before the 20th sentury...

There were never wars that devastating because we didn't have the population, weapons, or transportation to fight them. Earthquakes are more frequently recorded now that we have the technology and global communication to record them, and they're remembered as more devastating since we have more infrastructure to damage. In terms of lethality, HIV is nothing compared to, say, Yersinia Pestis, or even the Spanish Flu. It's because we've found solutions to such rampant disease that something like a fluids-borne, slow-killing retrovirus even registers as a threat.

I think the "What are you listening to" thread is somewhere around 40-50 pages; we have work to do yet, MT.