Why MT doesn't believe in this.

[IJO sha-quan-jone]

didn't want to get into this but wth, there is NO proof that the Bible is NOT true.

[Darth Crater]

That statement's broad enough to be completely useless - "the Bible" isn't a single coherent hypothesis. It's part history, part myth, part religious doctrine, part poetry. Some things are supported by evidence from other primary sources; others are purely allegorical. It's an amazing book - possibly the most influential in the world - but you'll have to be more clear on what you intend to contribute to the discussion. What specific claims made by the Bible are you arguing for?

(You're skirting the edge of faulty logic, by the way - lacking proof that something is false is at best weak evidence for its truth.)

[Col. Hstar]

"the Bible" isn't a single coherent hypothesis

Actually it is... Many can say that the overall theme of the Bible is that it is the vindication of God’s right to rule mankind and the realization of his loving purpose by means of his Kingdom. In this way it is completely harmonious from star to finish.

Not trying to start a big controversy or anything, everyone should just take the time and read the bible, don't read it looking for ways to argue or dispute, just read it and think about what it says. Then you can make an informed decision about it. And if you have then that's great. Not everyone will be the same, that's not the important this, it's important to read it and understand what it says. I mean think about it, what other book has survived so many attempts to destroy, discredit, and suppress it. Its clearly a book that's worthy of the attention of everyone.

[Darth Crater]

"the Bible" isn't a single coherent hypothesis

Actually it is... Many can say that the overall theme of the Bible is that it is the vindication of God’s right to rule mankind and the realization of his loving purpose by means of his Kingdom. In this way it is completely harmonious from star to finish.

Your lofty copy-pasted statement about the Bible's theme is still not a coherent hypothesis. Could you explain in your own words what, exactly, you are trying to argue for?

[Col. Hstar]

Absolutely.

If you look at the bible and all its, (how did you say it) "part history, part myth, part religious doctrine, part poetry" you will see that everything in the bible runs along the same theme.( oh look I cut n pasted again) It shows why God has the right to rule mankind. It answers the question raised in the Garden of Eden, by Satan the Devil who made the claim to Eve that God was withholding from humans and was not justified in ruling. Throughout the bible there are examples such as the nation of Israel who had Jehovah God's blessing, it showed what protection they enjoyed when they remained close to God, and the consequences when they left off following him. In the bible God gave laws to the Isrealites, laws that reflected his love for them, showed his wisdom (many of the laws on cleanliness were ahead of the time) and displayed his sense of justice which was perfect.
Now much of the Bible was written after the actual events occurred, and some were foretold years, sometimes centuries before they happened, and some events are so miraculous that people feel they are myths. I am not sure exactly what parts you feel to be myths as with many things, there is common sense that needs to be applied, some things have facts that can be checked, and others require faith. But one thing is true, When you look at the bible and see how accurate it is about everything else (yes a broad statement but we lack the time, and my fingers hurt) you will gain faith, just like a jury gains faith in a honest witness, all these thing still give further evidence of gods right to rule, and it shows that he still has a purpose for mankind and the earth.

The bible though was not just a book of history, laws and poetry, it is God's word to mankind. It is for us to read, to learn about him, to get to know him, and to draw close to him. It gives us purpose by showing what his purpose is.

I really hope that was "in my own words" enough for you. It's strange that instead of bringing up something else new to the discussion or some thoughts of your own, you went the route of attacking me for "cut and paste" If you want discussion then discuss, don't be petty, don't nit pick have a thought.

And FYI, if you read my whole comment, you would have seen what my argument was for. That the Bible is true and accurate and worthy of every ones attention.

[Darth Crater]

Thanks for rewording it for me. I feel we've somewhat strayed away from my original point, though, which is that bringing up the Bible as a whole doesn't help either side in this. I was hoping for some specific claims that both sides could discuss, as we were doing previously in this thread.

As it is, I'm not really qualified or willing to debate your statement, especially since it's based mostly on faith and rooted in your religious beliefs. Unfortunately, I suspect neither of us would be willing to accept the other's arguments on this.

[Col. Hstar]

I suspect neither of us would be willing to accept the other's arguments on this.

I agree


Let's just play Battlefront

[Yanoda]

didn't want to get into this but wth, there is NO proof that the Bible is NOT true.

Neither is there proof that the Bible is true.

And FYI, if you read my whole comment, you would have seen what my argument was for. That the Bible is true and accurate and worthy of every ones attention.

How is the Bible defined as truth? Many stories were removed (i.e. Lilith ring a bell?) and altered over the course of many centuries. The Bible has been written my humans, we know that humans are not perfect and tend to change events/stories in their favor.
I have yet to see an event that many claim the Bible foretells. As I mentioned before, the predictions of the Bible are vague and can be interpreted in many different ways. Also, many claim the Bible foretold the claimed event after it happened (that includes other literature/claims other than the Bible). Like I said before, people tend to alter events/stories in their favor. If you have any clear predictions the Bible has made, please do tell.

Claiming the absolute existence of God without proof/facts is faith. Faith and truth do not go hand in hand.

If you look at the bible and all its, (how did you say it) "part history, part myth, part religious doctrine, part poetry" you will see that everything in the bible runs along the same theme.( oh look I cut n pasted again) It shows why God has the right to rule mankind. It answers the question raised in the Garden of Eden, by Satan the Devil who made the claim to Eve that God was withholding from humans and was not justified in ruling. Throughout the bible there are examples such as the nation of Israel who had Jehovah God's blessing, it showed what protection they enjoyed when they remained close to God, and the consequences when they left off following him. In the bible God gave laws to the Isrealites, laws that reflected his love for them, showed his wisdom (many of the laws on cleanliness were ahead of the time) and displayed his sense of justice which was perfect.

So... everyone that worship God are blessed and those that defy God are heathens and deserve to be punished? That's the continuous theme I get from the Bible about God's

love

wisdom

sense of justice

Very enlightening.

Applying common sense would tell you that the Bible should not be viewed as a book about absolute truths, facts and laws.

I suspect neither of us would be willing to accept the other's arguments on this.

I agree

We have at least a common agreement.

Cheers

Yanoda

[haasd0gg]

The Lost Books of the Bible is some good reading. It talks about Jesus killing another boy who could run faster than him as well as some other stuff.

[Col. Hstar]

So... everyone that worship God are blessed and those that defy God are heathens and deserve to be punished? That's the continuous theme I get from the Bible about God's

If that's the conclusion you have come to from reading the bible, then that is your opinion. I personally look at it as all humans are inherently sinful, and those who worship God and live by his standards enjoy his blessings and have the hope of everlasting life in a paradise earth. Those who do not refuse to worship him do not have that hope, but they also are NOT doomed to life of punishment and torment. There is no such thing as hell, when someone dies, their thoughts cease, they know nothing, feel nothing, do nothing.
But again that's just me. and yes this is a very deep subject that I have pretty much summed up in one paragraph but judging from you final comments, it's not something you and I will ever agree on so.......

See you on the Battlefront