Why MT doesn't believe in this.

[Duel of Fates]

See, I should of smacked Val on the opening page.

[Yanoda]

25 pages. Did you guys figure out the roots of creation yet? No? K, lemme know

Give us another 25 pages and we'll have it by then.

Cheers

Yanoda

[(SWGO)SirPepsi]

25 pages. Did you guys figure out the roots of creation yet? No? K, lemme know

Give us another 25 pages and we'll have it by then.

Cheers

Yanoda

Maybe...:)

[THEWULFMAN]

SirPepsi is awarded one internet for some great posts on Page 24. Clicky +1 respect point is awarded as well.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

@Duel

Give it your best shot

@Crator

Noone said god created everything out of nothing, i already stated in this thread a pasage in wich god usses the natural forces on earth wich leads me to the conclusion he made life, but he didn't "generate" life to say it like that.

With i meant with "concient" well i don't really know how to put this, but i think it comes down to being aware of living and somehow have a choice....i don't really know how to explain it correctly but i hope you get the idea.
Even tough like you said there are things we have similar to animals, but still there is no explination whatsoever where the things i talked about came from.

And yes the reason why people believe in the evolution theory is because the evidence found up till now, but like you said, it's "not complete" there are missing factors and that's what makes me mad, in schools they will teach you about the evolution theory being prooven and there are no chances life came to be by something else, or the posibliltiy we don't know yet.
Iv'e been taught of the evolution theory even before they knew about RNA being able to come to existance with the natural elements that were at hand at those times on earth.
Just like before creationism was said to be the only way the earth came to existance....
It's basicly the "it's been prooven" part that makes me mad, you have some of the bases yes....but no total proof.

@Pepsi

Our DNA isn't flawless you say, the part where we die is in the bible however the why cannot be explained yet by science, yes i know your going to state at a certain point that science has prooved that our cells at a certain age start dying and as they die we die, but the reason why they die.....

Why we have emotions or why we are conscious CANNOT be applied to creationsim THOSE answers ARE in the bible i suggest you read it before you claim such things
Saying "oh you already have your belief so you think diffrently about things" really? how do you think i believe in god while i was taught evolution was the right way?
Before i believe anything i STUDY it i don't make claims before i did, and if i made i mistake somewhere i will correct said mistake.

Like i said before, you can say that science changes and it does, but stating that something is true before all the proof has been collected?
Also the link is based on times before the RNA discovery.....and from what i see it's argument is much worse then the ones yanoda posted wich make a bit more sence

@Yanoda

IF you read the bible and UNDERSTAND it, you sould know that god asked for faith in him, and that new scolls will be opened.

MT

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[Yanoda]

And yes the reason why people believe in the evolution theory is because the evidence found up till now, but like you said, it's "not complete" there are missing factors and that's what makes me mad, in schools they will teach you about the evolution theory being prooven and there are no chances life came to be by something else, or the posibliltiy we don't know yet.
Iv'e been taught of the evolution theory even before they knew about RNA being able to come to existance with the natural elements that were at hand at those times on earth.
Just like before creationism was said to be the only way the earth came to existance....
It's basicly the "it's been prooven" part that makes me mad, you have some of the bases yes....but no total proof.

Current data, research, finds etc... aka proof do indicate that Evolution is a viable explanation as to how life formed/developed over the course of Earth's history.
Mutations of Bacteria, DNA/RNA Mapping, Fossil & Anatomical Record and Natural/Artificial selection are just a fraction of the evidence/proofs of Evolution that you claim there is 'no total proof'. Evolution of Life is one of the most studied subjects in science and the majority of studies indicate that Evolution of Life is viable and the best explanation (better than the Bible ever explains it).

Our DNA isn't flawless you say, the part where we die is in the bible however the why cannot be explained yet by science, yes i know your going to state at a certain point that science has prooved that our cells at a certain age start dying and as they die we die, but the reason why they die.....

I have to say you're quite misinformed MT. We do know the mechanisms that cause cells to deteriorate and 'die'. The process of Apoptosis DNA fragmentation is a major factor of programmed Cellular Apoptosis (death).

Why we have emotions or why we are conscious CANNOT be applied to creationsim THOSE answers ARE in the bible i suggest you read it before you claim such things

Animals have shown to posses emotions. Examples:
- Pain and Fear are basic emotional responses to ensure the survival of the animal.
- Primates have been observed to have more advanced emotions such as Guilt and Grief.
- Several animals have shown emotions such as Jealousy and Anger (Cats & Dogs for example)
To this many scientists/researchers argue that the development of Emotions was necessary in ensuring the survival of the species. As time moved on, species evolved and further developed emotional capabilities. We consider ourselves to be the dominant ones with emotional capabilities.

Before i believe anything i STUDY it i don't make claims before i did, and if i made i mistake somewhere i will correct said mistake.

*Cough Cough*

Like i said before, you can say that science changes and it does, but stating that something is true before all the proof has been collected?
Also the link is based on times before the RNA discovery.....and from what i see it's argument is much worse then the ones yanoda posted wich make a bit more sence

How can anyone tell if something has been researched to the extent that 100% proof is available? Some things did not necessarily require 'full' proof to have evidence of it. Physicists were able to tell that there are particles without the ability to be able to measure them at the time, ie. quarks & electrons.

@Yanoda

IF you read the bible and UNDERSTAND it, you sould know that god asked for faith in him, and that new scolls will be opened.

MT

Asking me to have faith in something is not a viable reason for me to have faith in said thing. What is 'scolls'? Please check the spelling.
The common argument 'read the Bible and understand it' again... There are countless Biblical scholars that claim to know the message of the Bible and most have different views/messages of what the Bible, Torah, Qur'an tries to convey. Like I said, the Bible is open to interpretation and may convey different messages to different people. If said God was Omniscient, it would have made the Bible to be clear in its message and avoid controversies among humans.
Here's something philosophical about God being Omnipresent:
"If said entity was to be in all possible places at once, said entity would occupy every single occupiable location in both the cosmic and the quantum. Every component, of every thing would be entirely occupied by one thing.
Therefore everything would have no other ingredients than this sole-entity.
Would not everything then be ONE thing? leading to the truth that - everything is said entity.
If god is everywhere, then God is Everything, And if God is everything, then everything is God?"
URL: http://groups.able2know.org/philforum/topic/3074-1

Cheers

Yanoda

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

In most of the quotes your gonna see "read again what i said"

Current data, research, finds etc... aka proof do indicate that Evolution is a viable explanation as to how life formed/developed over the course of Earth's history.
Mutations of Bacteria, DNA/RNA Mapping, Fossil & Anatomical Record and Natural/Artificial selection are just a fraction of the evidence/proofs of Evolution that you claim there is 'no total proof'. Evolution of Life is one of the most studied subjects in science and the majority of studies indicate that Evolution of Life is viable and the best explanation (better than the Bible ever explains it).

Read again, i didn't say that this isn't true, i stated that many evolutionists, especially where i live claim it has been 100% prooven and under no circumstances can humans be wrong about it.
This is what makes me angry, evolutionists teaching a theory that still isn't complete, wich is what creationists ussed to do as well, and i do not aproove it.

I have to say you're quite misinformed MT. We do know the mechanisms that cause cells to deteriorate and 'die'. The process of Apoptosis DNA fragmentation is a major factor of programmed Cellular Apoptosis (death).

I have to say you quite didn't understand what i tryed to say.
we know why we die, it's just the reason it happens, as in why do we die? i don't really know how to truely translate this, but if you don't get it ill try and write it diffrently and see if it helps

Animals have shown to posses emotions. Examples:
- Pain and Fear are basic emotional responses to ensure the survival of the animal.
- Primates have been observed to have more advanced emotions such as Guilt and Grief.
- Several animals have shown emotions such as Jealousy and Anger (Cats & Dogs for example)
To this many scientists/researchers argue that the development of Emotions was necessary in ensuring the survival of the species. As time moved on, species evolved and further developed emotional capabilities. We consider ourselves to be the dominant ones with emotional capabilities.

I didn't claim animals don't have emotions, i'm questioning where they came from, why do we have emotions?

*Cough Cough*

Yea i made some mistakes in the initial posts, however i did say i was wrong. Wich isn't the thing i'm getting from most here
On others i simply "replied" with the why up to this point.

Asking me to have faith in something is not a viable reason for me to have faith in said thing. What is 'scolls'? Please check the spelling.
The common argument 'read the Bible and understand it' again... There are countless Biblical scholars that claim to know the message of the Bible and most have different views/messages of what the Bible, Torah, Qur'an tries to convey. Like I said, the Bible is open to interpretation and may convey different messages to different people. If said God was Omniscient, it would have made the Bible to be clear in its message and avoid controversies among humans.
Here's something philosophical about God being Omnipresent:
"If said entity was to be in all possible places at once, said entity would occupy every single occupiable location in both the cosmic and the quantum. Every component, of every thing would be entirely occupied by one thing.
Therefore everything would have no other ingredients than this sole-entity.
Would not everything then be ONE thing? leading to the truth that - everything is said entity.
If god is everywhere, then God is Everything, And if God is everything, then everything is God?"
URL: http://groups.able2know.org/philforum/topic/3074-1

Read my post again, i didn't ask you to have faith, i asked you if you understood the bibles message, but i guess that if you did you wouldn't be saying "what profecies" in earlies posts, i'm not going to post the whole bible here....

MT

[Darth Crater]

No time to write a full reply right now, sorry. MT, at several points in your most recent post you are asking "Why is X the case?" immediately after quoting the answer to your question...

[Yanoda]

Read again, i didn't say that this isn't true, i stated that many evolutionists, especially where i live claim it has been 100% prooven and under no circumstances can humans be wrong about it.
This is what makes me angry, evolutionists teaching a theory that still isn't complete, wich is what creationists ussed to do as well, and i do not aproove it.

How can anyone tell if something has been researched to the extent that 100% proof is available? Some things did not necessarily require 'full' proof to have evidence of it. Physicists were able to tell that there are particles without the ability to be able to measure them at the time, ie. quarks & electrons.

Missed a paragraph of mine

I have to say you quite didn't understand what i tryed to say.
we know why we die, it's just the reason it happens, as in why do we die? i don't really know how to truely translate this, but if you don't get it ill try and write it diffrently and see if it helps

We do know the mechanisms that cause cells to deteriorate and 'die'. The process of Apoptosis DNA fragmentation is a major factor of programmed Cellular Apoptosis (death).

I didn't claim animals don't have emotions, i'm questioning where they came from, why do we have emotions?

Animals have shown to posses emotions. Examples:
- Pain and Fear are basic emotional responses to ensure the survival of the animal.
- Primates have been observed to have more advanced emotions such as Guilt and Grief.
- Several animals have shown emotions such as Jealousy and Anger (Cats & Dogs for example)
To this many scientists/researchers argue that the development of Emotions was necessary in ensuring the survival of the species. As time moved on, species evolved and further developed emotional capabilities. We consider ourselves to be the dominant ones with emotional capabilities.

Read my post again, i didn't ask you to have faith, i asked you if you understood the bibles message, but i guess that if you did you wouldn't be saying "what profecies" in earlies posts, i'm not going to post the whole bible here....
MT

There are countless Biblical scholars that claim to know the message of the Bible and most have different views/messages of what the Bible, Torah, Qur'an tries to convey. Like I said, the Bible is open to interpretation and may convey different messages to different people. If said God was Omniscient, it would have made the Bible to be clear in its message and avoid controversies among humans.

Cheers

Yanoda