Why MT doesn't believe in this.

[(=DK=)Samonuh]

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[Yanoda]

Where did u find that yanoda? I would like to show my dad this.

Just search in Google Images (or any search engine) and type 'Science vs Faith'. You should get at least a dozen hits.

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[WD-40]

Lord knows what the next topic of discussion on this complicated forum will be. Also, as I was discussing with my father, everything we know could be a dream. Just imagine, everything we know, a dream.

Yes. There is no Faith. There is no Evolution… It's all fake. Like this 'crap' I'm about to take before I go into work. I mean, what's the point? It's not real. Why should I have to take one if the food is fake?

Seriously, what's the point of existing at all, if there's nothing afterward when you die? All those memories gone? Who would care what happens in life, if it's all ultimately a waste of time or effort? You do all that stuff, accomplish all those things, and then what? Darkness? To me, that's the 'Evolutionists' belief. They have no 'Faith'..ergo…'No Afterlife'. If you don't believe in an Afterlife, you can't possibly believe in Miracles, or an 'all powerful being' or 'Creator'. No Heaven, no Hell..no nothing afterwards.

So, what about all the stories of 'Life after Death' from those that died and came back? Floating above their bodies, seeing and 'hearing' everything that's going on in the same room, or down the hall outside an operating room where their loved ones are waiting? And the one that died, being able to recount everything they said, even though that person's body was still in the operating room? They all have very similar stories to tell of their experience. Seeing past relatives that died long before, and then picking their faces out in old photos, even though the'd never seen or met them before.

Seems to me, that higher beings that have an 'Afterlife', have 'come into existence' in a far more miraculous fashion than simply evolving from Apes. And science may prove a lot of genectic stuff, but they can't possibly prove a 'missing link'. And the odds of us evolving from carbon based sludge at the beginning of time is astronomically impossible. (Saw that on several different science shows years ago). And none of this came from 'Google'.

[FaiL.?]

I think that we can all argree that Pepsi, MT, and Yanoda are the masters of writing HUGE, page long posts.

[Yanoda]

Yes! A participant!

Seriously, what's the point of existing at all, if there's nothing afterward when you die? All those memories gone? Who would care what happens in life, if it's all ultimately a waste of time or effort? You do all that stuff, accomplish all those things, and then what? Darkness? To me, that's the 'Evolutionists' belief. They have no 'Faith'..ergo…'No Afterlife'. If you don't believe in an Afterlife, you can't possibly believe in Miracles, or an 'all powerful being' or 'Creator'. No Heaven, no Hell..no nothing afterwards.

There is a difference between Evolutionists and Atheists.
Evolutionists are those who consider the 'Evolution of Life' a viable explanation in how organisms we know today came to be. Several Evolutionists still believe in a higher being (deity).
Atheists on the other hand, have a lack of belief in a supernatural being (Creator) and some do not consider Evolution a viable explanation.
Both do not necessarily go hand in hand, several (if not many) make this false assumption.
To the Atheist argument when there is nothing after death (from what I gathered): Is that one should make the best of their life. May it be bring up a family, have a successful job or doing community service. Why would anyone want to live eternally? Death is part of life, why should we fear it?

So, what about all the stories of 'Life after Death' from those that died and came back? Floating above their bodies, seeing and 'hearing' everything that's going on in the same room, or down the hall outside an operating room where their loved ones are waiting? And the one that died, being able to recount everything they said, even though that person's body was still in the operating room? They all have very similar stories to tell of their experience. Seeing past relatives that died long before, and then picking their faces out in old photos, even though the'd never seen or met them before.

One could say that dreams could have similar effects. People may subconsciously still hear and understand what is happening even if they are not awake/conscious. Defining when someone is dead is also difficult. Is it when the Brain ceases to function? Is it when the heart stops? Or is it when the individual is in a vegetative state (Brain & Organs may still function, but the mind isn't). There are some exceptions too.

Seems to me, that higher beings that have an 'Afterlife', have 'come into existence' in a far more miraculous fashion than simply evolving from Apes. And science may prove a lot of genectic stuff, but they can't possibly prove a 'missing link'. And the odds of us evolving from carbon based sludge at the beginning of time is astronomically impossible. (Saw that on several different science shows years ago). And none of this came from 'Google'.

The 'Missing Link' argument has been used for decades by the anti-Evolutionists (not in a negative way). They argued there should be a 'Missing Link' (Transitional Fossil) connecting 2 Species in their Evolution. Years later, findings do show a Transitional Fossil connecting the 2 Species, but the same argument is used again: Where is the 'Missing Link' connecting the newly found fossil to the other one? This form of argument has been used time and time again...
Miller-Urey experiment does show that organic compounds can be formed from basic compounds (H2O, CO2 etc.).
Calculating the odds of live is difficult, since there are too many variables. We found organic compounds in Asteroids/Comets and on Mars (Some speculate that Europa (the Moon) could have life as well, but probes need to be sent to verify it. Using the argument with odds of life cannot be accurately validated, I could argue that the odds that life occurred on Earth was 1-to-1 since we exist now (just an example).
Also, having an odd of 1 to a million does not mean that you need a million tries to get the one outcome. You can get the outcome on the first try or the second or on the thousand's try etc.

I think that we can all argree that Pepsi, MT, and Yanoda are the masters of writing HUGE, page long posts.

YEAH!

Cheers

Yanoda

[SuperHappyMan]

Maybe Narg should have a go as well (since he returned), I bet he'll enjoy it

No. No. [m'kay] NO.

I've been in that minefield, and i'll be [m'kay] if i'm going to prance through it again. I will say that I believe in reincarnation, and that's about it. Not saying i'm a Buddhist or anything, although i'd like to be; thing is, it's kinda hard to be a Buddhist and have a computer at the same time, considering that they're pretty much as at odds as things get.

I've been up for a while, sorry if my sentence structure is made of [poo].

[WD-40]

So, what about all the stories of 'Life after Death' from those that died and came back? Floating above their bodies, seeing and 'hearing' everything that's going on in the same room, or down the hall outside an operating room where their loved ones are waiting? And the one that died, being able to recount everything they said, even though that person's body was still in the operating room? They all have very similar stories to tell of their experience. Seeing past relatives that died long before, and then picking their faces out in old photos, even though the'd never seen or met them before.

One could say that dreams could have similar effects. People may subconsciously still hear and understand what is happening even if they are not awake/conscious. Defining when someone is dead is also difficult. Is it when the Brain ceases to function? Is it when the heart stops? Or is it when the individual is in a vegetative state (Brain & Organs may still function, but the mind isn't). There are some exceptions too.

Yanoda, you side-stepped that one big time. I understand about the brain still being active for maybe up to a few minutes after death, and medically, the body is still alive 'physically'. Okay, maybe an in-room conversation can be heard...and remembered. What I'm referring to, is 'out of body' experiences. The brain doesn't function that way. People say they literally 'float' above their bodies and 'watch' the doctors and nurses working on them...or watching paramedics at a crash site. Or their floating down a hospital hall to the loved ones in the waiting room, seeing and hearing everything that's going on there, and recounting it in accurate detail later without ever having discussed what went on with anyone prior to that.
Then there's the stories of floating thru dark tunnels to a bright light at the end, seeing loved ones, and perhaps even Christ Himself before coming back. A lot of these come after the floating around episode too. You can't prove or dis-prove these stories, as scientists have nothing 'physical' or 'tangible' to analyze.
But one thing is for certain. Countless people have experienced virtually the same thing over the decades that these stories were tracked and documented...by both 'believers' and 'skeptics' alike...scientists, doctors, psychologists and researchers.

I'm gonna share something with you all. I had an unusual episode too when I was about 12. I was sick with a serious upper respiratory infection and couldn't breathe well at all...couldn't sleep either that night. I went to bed anyway and just layed there gasping...hardly able to breathe, and shortly after, I suddenly flew upwards. I didn't hover. I just sailed up and suddenly found myself in space, hovering above the Earth. It was incredibly beautiful and crystal clear. I did not feel the coldness of space. I felt no pain, and I never felt more alive. And it didn't feel like some 'dream' to me. It was alot different. Just real. Attached to my, ahem, 'Belly Button' or Navel, was this pure silver crystaline thread that strectched back toward Earth. It seemed both strong, yet fragile. Somehow, I knew the other end was attached to my 'physical body'. I could not 'see or feel' my body at all, but I knew it was down there. I also knew there was something behind me in space like a doorway or tunnel of some sort for me to proceed. I felt if I turned, I would be thrust into it to continue on my journey. But I also knew I had a choice. If I turned, I would proceed, and the silver thread would break, and I would never again return to my body. But I thought about how my Mother and Father would be devastated if I left them now, so I felt I wanted to go back.

The next thing I knew, I was back in bed, gasping and wheezing...very painful too. It happened. To that, I've no doubt. Choose to believe it or not. Either way, makes no difference to me. I cannot prove it, but I can only say, I was there.

I suppose with the Bible, many have a huge problem with the first chapter at the beginning where it mentions God created the Heaven and Earth in '6 days'. I believe that poses some disbelief in that given the complexity and vastness of our Planet, that it just doesn't seem comprehensible...I mean 6 days?! That's only 134 hours! I get that skepticism. I think it's misinterpreted. And I believe it affects their opinion of the entire Bible as a result of that one passage.

What I mean is, who's to say that 1 day for God isn't equivalent to 1 million years to mankind?...or 10 million or 100 million? Just food for thought.

[THEWULFMAN]

Great posts Yanoda (for the most part).

What I mean is, who's to say that 1 day for God isn't equivalent to 1 million years to mankind?...or 10 million or 100 million? Just food for thought.

This.


Hey wait a minute...

I think that we can all argree that Pepsi, MT, and Yanoda are the masters of writing HUGE, page long posts.

You forgot someone.

[(=DK=)Samonuh]

Oh God...this is the first time I've come into this thread. Oh my...

Don't be shy, join on the fun! Maybe the way of the Pony is the answer to all life's (and our) questions.
Like they say, the more the merrier!

Cheers

Yanoda

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[Commander Sparrow]

Oh God...this is the first time I've come into this thread. Oh my...

Don't be shy, join on the fun! Maybe the way of the Pony is the answer to all life's (and our) questions.
Like they say, the more the merrier!

Cheers

Yanoda

I have a feeling that if I contribute to this thread, I may create a huge [poo] storm.

Isn't that every reason to contribute?