Why MT doesn't believe in this.

[Darth Crater]

The Pope called gay marriage a threat to the future of humanity. I am interested in seeing the Pope's credentials. Also, perhaps him being strung up. But that's for another time.

I think he's worried about the immoral 'sex' between gay couples, not the fact that they 'love' each other. Can't make a 'baby' fudge-packing, or carpet munching/grinding. He's worried kids will think that's 'actually normal'. If the world had nothing but gays in it, then the worlds population would die out. Maybe that's what he's getting at?

First, keep in mind, I have nothing against homosexuals. Be careful calling someone a 'Homophobe', as the one's you accuse and those witnessing it could immediately wonder if the accuser leans that way 'sexually' or harbors deep, secret desires toward the same sex....not that you do..but, it will make the accuser look that way.

Personally, I think it makes sense that there are male and female 'spirits' in the world, and for some reason, 'male' spirits end up in 'female' bodies, and 'female' spirits, end up in 'male' bodies. Think about it. I've observed this for a couple decades. Maybe this explains the lisping and feminine 'personality' traits of 'male' homosexuals (.i.e. the fingers-only handshake, overly emotional and sensitive, worry about their appearance, weight, clothing style, the hand flip, talking like a girl, know all the latest fashions, etc), whereas, alot of 'female' Homosexuals have Butch haircuts, talk masculine, ride Harleys, wear blue jeans and have beer guts.

My two cents, but I'm convinced I'm right about this one.

So, you say you have nothing against homosexuals, then in the next sentence you imply that being thought of as homosexual is a bad thing. Interesting. (Zero interest here what anyone thinks of my orientation)

About your "spirits" hypothesis: What about the large proportion of the gay/lesbian population that don't have those stereotypical traits, or only adopt them because they saw them in popular culture while building their identity? What about bisexuals? What about people who actually believe they were born into a wrong-gendered body, regardless of who they're attracted to? Conflating sexual orientation and personal gender identification is a terrible idea.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

I leave you guys alone for a week....nice mess

[WD-40]

As for human population, there are what, seven or eight billion of us now? If anything reduction to a plateau in population growth is desired, and nearly achieved in most western countries by birth rate.

And damn WD, sucks to be you. The five lesbian/bi-sexual girls I know in my life are [m'kay] gorgeous.

I'm not surprised about the 'Bi' gals, as I've seen quite a few hot ones too. Pure lesbian (don't you just love the 'sound' of that word...Lesbian Lesbian Lezzzzzbian!), anyway, 'pure' lesbians that are Hot are far and few between over the course of my life. Doesn't do a straight guy any good anyway.

[WD-40]

So, you say you have nothing against homosexuals, then in the next sentence you imply that being thought of as homosexual is a bad thing. Interesting. (Zero interest here what anyone thinks of my orientation).

I think you need to re-read what I wrote. I made an 'observation'. I never passed judgement or said it was bad. I meant others may. Nobody called me a Homophobe. Not that I care either. I know I'm not. They are who they are. They can't help it..I get that.

About your "spirits" hypothesis: What about the large proportion of the gay/lesbian population that don't have those stereotypical traits, or only adopt them because they saw them in popular culture while building their identity? What about bisexuals? What about people who actually believe they were born into a wrong-gendered body, regardless of who they're attracted to? Conflating sexual orientation and personal gender identification is a terrible idea.

Again, I made an 'observation', and I like it. Can you offer a 'better' explanation without just tearing mine down?

[Mandalore]

I prefer to think of lesbians as an extra special challenge. Not that thinking like that gets me anywhere with them...And lesbian is a very fun word now that I think about it....

[THEWULFMAN]

I think he's worried about the immoral 'sex' between gay couples, not the fact that they 'love' each other. Can't make a 'baby' fudge-packing, or carpet munching/grinding. He's worried kids will think that's 'actually normal'. If the world had nothing but gays in it, then the worlds population would die out. Maybe that's what he's getting at?

That assumes being gay is a choice, which the pope does believe of course. The problem with that logic is that being gay is not a choice, it's genetic. You can't chose to be gay or straight, or bisexual. You can chose to live a lie, you can fake it, you can get married to the opposite sex, but you're still gay.

It all goes back to a line in the old testament, "Man shall not lie with another man" or whatever the exact wording is. It's *wrong* to Christians(well, die-hard Catholics anyway) to be gay, it's a sin. The truth of the er is straight guys are just wierded out by gay guys. In my personal point of view, if it was that big of a deal to god, he'd hae made it a lot more clear. Jesus never talked about it, although I've had people trying their damnedest to twist his words to convince me otherwise.

If I recall correctly, roughly 10% of the population is gay. The other 90% has had no trouble reaching (almost) 7 billion people. There are plenty of straight parents that give their kids up for adoption, and gay people adopt.

First, keep in mind, I have nothing against homosexuals. Be careful calling someone a 'Homophobe', as the one's you accuse and those witnessing it could immediately wonder if the accuser leans that way 'sexually' or harbors deep, secret desires toward the same sex....not that you do..but, it will make the accuser look that way.

I'll call whomever I damn well please a homophobe. If they call me gay, fine. I'd only take insult if I thought being gay was wrong. It's very natural, loads of animals do it. Matter of fact I hate the fact that "gay" is used as such a derogatory term nowadays. Calling someone gay as an insult makes about as much sense as yelling at my toaster and calling it penguin for burning my toast. I mean god damnit, I woke up and wanted some [m'kay] toast! If you want to call me gay because I defend homosexual rights, so be it. I'm not, whether anyone believes me or not is of no concern of mine.

Personally, I think it makes sense that there are male and female 'spirits' in the world, and for some reason, 'male' spirits end up in 'female' bodies, and 'female' spirits, end up in 'male' bodies. Think about it. I've observed this for a couple decades. Maybe this explains the lisping and feminine 'personality' traits of 'male' homosexuals (.i.e. the fingers-only handshake, overly emotional and sensitive, worry about their appearance, weight, clothing style, the hand flip, talking like a girl, know all the latest fashions, etc), whereas, alot of 'female' Homosexuals have Butch haircuts, talk masculine, ride Harleys, wear blue jeans and have beer guts.

While I can't really argue with this, as I have no (really) firm belief on souls or spirits as of yet, I can say that not all gay people are the stereotypical Jack McFarland (Sean Haye's character in Will & Gracetype), and not all lesbians are butch. It however makes more sense, to me anyway, that it's genetic. I won't get into a debate about it if you don't think it's genetic, I'm way too tired for that(maybe Yanoda can help out :P)

[WD-40]

That assumes being gay is a choice, which the pope does believe of course. The problem with that logic is that being gay is not a choice, it's genetic. You can't chose to be gay or straight, or bisexual. You can chose to live a lie, you can fake it, you can get married to the opposite sex, but you're still gay.

'genetic'?...I'm not gonna touch that one. Although it may be possible due to some mix up in the DNA. Beyond that, I can't debate it as I have no Genetics background. Outside influences, like being raised by a Gay couple, 'may' affect a person's sexuality..I said MAY....however, it certainly could make them more attuned, friendlier, and informed of that community.

I'll call whomever I damn well please a homophobe.

Knock yourself out! I never said you couldn't.

[Robert]

1. Nothing popped out of nowhere, if you read the bible your bound to find a couple of times(example Deuteronomy 33:27) "god is eternal"
Definition of eternal: Being without beginning or end, the only other thing i could name eternal is time.

MT[/quote]

MT everything has a beginning, nothing is eternal, it is beyond that of the human brain to visualize what happened before the universe was created so i believe that there was no big bang, because something must have created it, there was no god to create everything, and if you think god created life, what created god? I do however believe in evolution, which is a series of mutations over millions of years, there is proof today of these mutations, like people being born with extra fingers or toes etc... Over a long period of time these mutations could create something that doesn't look anything like a human. Anyway this is just my opinion and your free to believe what you think.

[11_Panama_]

Evolution and mutations are two different things. Mutations are error codes while evolutions are adaptations.

[THEWULFMAN]

Evolution and mutations are two different things. Mutations are error codes while evolutions are adaptations.

Mutations are genetic error codes, Evolutions are adaptations, you got that much right. However Evolution and Mutation are not mutually exclusive. Evolution is possible because of genetic mutations. When the animal mutates, it either is given some small advantage or disadvantage over non-mutated animals. Let's give a small example.

A species gecko lived in a jungle, but the climate was getting hotter, and the jungle was dying out. Eventually the jungle started turning into a desert. The gecko's scaled were green, and used to allow it to blend into the jungle, but now is no longer blending into this brown and tan desert environment. Snakes started to prey on the gecko, and the species started dying out. Then, through a genetic mutation, the gecko's scaled started becoming brown, and allowed it to hide on the rocks that it used to sun itself. This allowed the brown geckos to live, while the geckos who were still green, died out. The genetic error code that changed the scale color allowed it to adapt.

I hope this cleared this up.