Why Ron Paul Won't Win

[Mandalore]

Ah libertarians. What nice kids! *pats them on the head and gives them a lolly pop*

Anyone who actually thinks that government can be that uninvolved in the governance of three hundred million people over one of the physically largest states on the face of the Earth is incredibly naive. While I agree that government has over-reached going from one extreme to another is not the answer. And if Ron Paul takes down all the federal laws against drug dealing I will personally start my own cartel the day he brings them down.

[ӺȁȿŧƔ]

Ah libertarians. What nice kids! *pats them on the head and gives them a lolly pop*

Anyone who actually thinks that government can be that uninvolved in the governance of three hundred million people over one of the physically largest states on the face of the Earth is incredibly naive. While I agree that government has over-reached going from one extreme to another is not the answer. And if Ron Paul takes down all the federal laws against drug dealing I will personally start my own cartel the day he brings them down.

It's not like we are after complete anarchy here. Have you guys even seen the bills recently passed? We can now be indefinitely detained with no trial. You think that its not going to happen? Let me tell you it already is happening around the country. We are just not going to hear about it. Maybe if its a celebrity but honestly do you think people are going to rally against the government if they take YOU away and hold you indefinitely?

[Mandalore]

Oh I agree that law is over-stepping its bounds. I just think libertarians are silly, is all.

[(=DK=)Samonuh]

Oh I agree that law is over-stepping its bounds. I just think libertarians are silly, is all.

I'm not a Libertarian. I'm a Republican. I follow the principals that the Republican Party was founded on, which are for the most part contrary to what current "Republicans" believe.

[THEWULFMAN]

I must have retyped this post a half dozen times because my care meter is almost empty. I'm at the hospital at my mom's side while I type this, so don't think my lack of caring is from being lazy or just not caring about the actual discussion here. Now, to the topic at hand.


I was going to quote people, but upon seeing the [m'kay] that was, I decided to keep this short and simple.

Fasty. *sighs* I'm an independent, for future reference. My views sway both liberal and conservative (which by the way, liberals are just as hard to argue with as conservatives are, it's called politics, [poo] as it may be).

I gotta say, you don't know a lot about the US military, it's allies, how NATO works, or even the basics of a real modern war.

Saudi Arabia. There, done. Just found you a strong US ally that wasn't mentioned before. Israel is a strong US ally. They don't want us to leave or stop supporting them. We've been allies since the 1980's and we have strong agreements with them. Matter of fact, only about 500 US troops were in Israel untill 9000 new troops were added in early January. We're not leaving, nor should we be leaving.

South Korea would be pretty damn pissed if we pulled our 35,000 troops out. They need us to keep the peace between North and South Korea.

Japan, considering they aren't allowed to build aircraft carriers, I doubt they'd want us to leave.

See here's what you also fail to understand. We are not alone. NATO is a massive alliance of military coordination and operations. You do not just leave our less powerful allies to defend themselves. That would piss a lot of people off, which makes our country weaker. Also, you don't protect your country by putting all your forces in one country. We have plenty of men and women to defend our country on our shores. We could bring troops back from other countries if we needed to bolster our forces, as needed.

Having 65,000 troops in Germany provides a large number of men ready to deploy across Europe at a given notice. Having men in Japan and Korea provides men to deploy across Asia. You get the idea. You don't defend our country by making your arms reach confined to your own borders. You don't win wars by having the enemy come to you. How well do you think that would have worked in WWII? Just wait for Germany to start bombing the US like Japan did? No. You take the fight to them. By weakening your offensive abilities, you're weakening your defense as well.

Ron Paul may have said he'll bring the troops home, but I'm depending on him to see how it really is if he gets in office.

Oh, and Crater seems to be doing fine handling the rest. I wouldn't buy unpasteurized milk if you paid me. It should be a federal law to wear seat belts, not text while driving, and not talk on the phone without a hands-free headset while driving. Some things should be laws no er what. I wish humans were smart enough to do the right thing without it being a law, but we're not there yet. I'm all for smaller government and freedom, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

[11_Panama_]

If you think Israel is our ally, look up USS Liberty. I was shocked when I saw this....just two days ago. I wasn't aware of such attrocities by an "ally". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

[Darth Crater]

... You're using one case of friendly fire from 1967, during a rapid and confusing hot war, to determine whether they're allied with us in 2012?

[ӺȁȿŧƔ]

We are in fact occupying a lot of countries against their will. They did not all just "let us in". Like Japan, we've been there since world war 2 and there is no reason to stay there. Saying we need people in Asia just makes no sense to me. It's like preparing for the war that we know will already happen. War should be avoided at all costs. America is already one of the strongest military's in the world. I don't think we need to be the strongest. We should live by example, and give people the chance to follow that example.

There are no countries in the middle east that pose a threat to us. The media will get everyone hyped up so we can go to war with countries that are defenseless and cannot do anything to us. Do you guys really think we should start bombing Iran? Iran can do nothing to us except give more empty threats. We should be laughing at them not preparing to drop bombs. They don't even have the ability to close the Strait Of Hormuz if they wanted to. Of course they don't want to because that would hurt them as much as it would hurt the rest of the world. I don't think we should be so careless and go to war when we don't need to.

Some things should be laws no er what. I wish humans were smart enough to do the right thing without it being a law, but we're not there yet. I'm all for smaller government and freedom, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

Now if you'll excuse me I have some volunteer phone calls to make.

[11_Panama_]

... You're using one case of friendly fire from 1967, during a rapid and confusing hot war, to determine whether they're allied with us in 2012?

Friendly fire?...our flag was flying on the ship...as a er of fact, sailors took down our flag and raised an even bigger one and they kept fireing. Also, they jammed our communications array...all 4 of them...only our allies had that capability. They knew damn well the ship was an American ship. The name USS Liberty was written across the bow as well as our flag flying high. An Israeli pilot came forward after the incident and said that he refused to fire on an "ally" ship, his superiors threatened him with a courtmarshall if he did not comply with their commands. Now..for the record, I am not anti semitic..I too have Jewish blood running through my veins.

[Darth Crater]

You do realize that at the time Israel was at war with pretty much every nation bordering it, and didn't have the luxury to be too careful about what they shot at? You do realize that anyone can paint English on their ship and fly an American flag?

More importantly, you do realize that this was in 1967, and you're implying that it should have any bearing at all on our current relations?