Just another day in America.

[MATTHEW'S_DAD]

I hope that [m'kay] gets assraped in jail everyday of what's left of his miserable little life.

[The Master]

Oops sorry I meant which one do you have the squad or the tree. Maybe this isn't a thread for humor

No, it probably isn't, but I will still answer. Both

Sorry.

[haasd0gg]

The difference between those cases were:

With the George Zimmerman case, it was assumed a police officer unnecessarily used force on a teen. Police/Officers are those that have to uphold the law and protect the people. What was assumed was that he followed the teen for no reason (even disobeying orders to stop) that eventually led to the death of Trayvon Martin. Furthermore, George Zimmerman was supposed to not receive a trial due to the Florida Law. New evidence shows that George Zimmerman was defending himself and this will likely help him in the trial.

With the Tyrone Woodfork case, the assumed murderer was caught and will receive a criminal trial on several charges. Yes, it is a horrific action what Tyrone did but he will receive the proper punishment when proven guilty. Note, Tyrone is considered an adult (age 20). Tyrone was instantly held accountable for the horrific actions.

This was not much a racial controversy but the fact that a Police Officer was not to be held accountable for the death of a teen whereas Tyrone Woodfork was caught and will receive the proper trial. Also, people tend to get more roused when a Police Officer uses unnecessary force on individuals.

Remember that the Civil Rights movement happened 50 years ago and that many who lived/experienced through it will still hold grudges. That is to be expected. Germans today are still being held accountable for the actions of the Nazi since 1945 and bias against them is still occurring.
Understanding and tolerance need to be promoted to end such unnecessary bias.

Hope this helped

Cheers

Yanoda

Also, what does the liberal media have to do with it? Isn't it just the entire news media that have been not reporting properly?

Yanni- Zimmerman was/is not a police officer. He was part of a neighborhood watch group.

[Yanoda]

Yanni- Zimmerman was/is not a police officer. He was part of a neighborhood watch group.

Ah Ok, thanks for letting me know (forgot about that ).

Cheers

Yanoda

[ProfessorDreadNaught]

A 28 year old homeowner and neighborhood watchman sees a unknown black teen youth cutting through neighborhood yards in the dark of night. He follows the youth and confronts him. The youth cops and attitude and the homeowner overreacts and escalates the confrontation by attempting to detain the youth and contact the police. A fight begins and the homeowner is being beaten up. The homeowner shoots his assailant while being recorded by 911 and police dispatchers. Police officers arrive and take the homeowner, now shooter, into custody. After questioning the shooter in custody and reviewing the physical and recorded evidence including witness statements, the police release Mr. Zimmerman and close the case.

Because the homeowner was not on his own property, had not followed proper neighborhood watch procedure, followed and confronted a minor in what could only be courteously described as an unprofessional manner, got himself into a fist fight with a minor (where he was getting his ass kicked) and produced and used a firearm on someone who was unarmed while being recorded possibly using a racial epithet, many people believe he should be punished. Further the dismissal of charges by the investigating team and their superiors was seen as some sort of racially motivated coverup by corrupt, racist public officials. The parents of the deceased young man immediately cried out to the media and to local and national civil rights activist leaders screaming murder and racism.

[Duel of Fates]

Haas, for it to be a hate crime, authorities would need to prove it is racially motivated. From what I have read so far, Tyrone Woodfork is just a douche bag who needs to be put in front of a firing squad or hung from an oak tree ( I have one available).

Unfortunately this type of crime has been happening more and more. I'm taking classes in criminal justice and I am constantly looking up reports such as these. The respect for other people, but especially the elderly (not to mention those that were willing to sacrifice themselves for everyone's benefit) has disappeared in this country.

If a white person were to commit this crime against a black or other colored person, the NAACP would be all over it with law suits and public out cry. But if a group that is committed to protecting white people were to do the same thing in this case, it would be racism. I think that we are looking at a society of reverse racism.

Now, I'm not racist. I have some very good friends who are black and Hispanic. I have seen stupid people of all races. I just think that everyone should be treated equal, but in today's society, they are not.

Hate crime. I hate that term. It is the worst kind of law on the books. Let me give you an example.

A few years ago in a small rural town, a fight broke out among a couple of customers in a small bar. One guy was a local who frequented the establishment for many years. Known by all in the town as level headed and honest person. He was harrassed by a couple of guys from another state visiting the area for a Packer/Bears game. It got to the point that tempers got out of hand and the local guy pretty much wiped the floor with the Bears fan. Cops were called and the comabatants were arrested for disorderly conduct and assault. They guy that got his ass handed to him turned out to be gay. So with testimony from him and his friend, the DA started looking into filing a hate crime against the local guy. Nobody in the bar that night knew the guy was gay, including the local who got into the altercation. Later, the charges were dropped and everything quieted down. This could have turned ugly and ruined a guys life for losing his temper.

Now, looking back at the episode, I wonder if we really need hate crimes on the books. We already have laws against assault, battery, harassment, disorderly conduct, murder, vandalism, and theft. Wouldn't it be reasonable to label every crime against another person, regardless of ethnicity, gender, religion, age, and sexual orientation as a hate crime? Seriously, now we have to be careful of what we "think". The "thought police" will tear your life apart to tack on ten years to the sentence? Label you a "hater"? Do we really need Hate Crimes on the books?

Back to the original story. I would really hate to be the family members that have to explain this to their grandkids. Sorry kids, Grandma was beaten, raped and killed by a poor misunderstood African American, who broke into their house and wanted their stuff. Sorry kids, Grandpa was beaten, shot in the face with BB gun, and forced to witness the brutalization of his wife of 65 years, and then left for dead with a broken jaw. He lost his will to live.

Woodfork is the best evidence for bringing back the gallows in the town square and hung for his crimes in full view of all the townsfolk after a fair and impartial jury found him guilty. And if you think me a racist, kiss my ass. You dont know me. I would call for a public hanging for any douchebag, of any race, who ruins lives like this.

Here endeth my rant for the night.

[Son]

Duel, I'm not trying to argue whether we need hate crime laws. I actually agree with you. I was just trying to explain how it needed to be proved before the crime could be considered a hate crime. I also agree that we need to go back to public hangings and shame. Let everyone see what happens when you commit crimes. I am all for harsher punishments for everyone. I let a close relative sit in jail so they would learn a lesson.

Sorry if my earlier post was misunderstood.

[Dad]

I have been following this closely and here is what I have picked out to be factual:

George Zimmerman was asked to be on neighborhood watch after an extended crime spree, mostly burglaries, 100% committed by black men 17-23 years old. George accepted, and went through the legal process of obtaining a firearm and concealed carry permit.

On the night in question, George Zimmerman witnessed a young man in a "hoodie" (a detestable term coined to sound like a "hood" a.k.a. "thug"), whom George did not recognize, walking through people's yards. He did not know the boys race until he went to look for the boy in his car. Given the recent rash of crimes, George armed himself as he was legally allowed to do. When George caught up with Trayvon Martin, as he left his car he called 911 for assistance. While talking with the 911 operator (here is where the media went out of control), the only thing we know for sure is, George said "punks" and "always getting away with it". When George stated that he was following the boy, he was told "we don't need you to do that, sir" so he turned around to head back to his car. That is when Trayvon attacked him from behind. This is his account of that night.

We will never get Trayvon's account of that night, but I offer this. The only witness to the scuffle, before the shot was fired, was a young black boy out walking his dog. He described someone fitting Trayvon Martin's description, standing over and beating on someone fitting George Zimmerman's description. It has come to light that George was beaten pretty badly that night.

Trayvon's family, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, The New Black Panthers, etc., etc., have turned this into a "race" thing. The only pictures released of Trayvon by these people have been at least 5 years old. They depict him as a sweet young boy though it has come to light he was anything but. Spike Lee even "tweeted" what he thought was Zimmerman's address (it turned out to be an elderly couple who had no involvement whatsoever, they had to move away because they began getting threatened). Even our gaddam president stirred the pot! "If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon." Are you [m'kay] kidding me?!

George Zimmerman is of very mixed ethnicity, by the way....

Here, at last, is my opinion of this. What Zimmerman did was right. I live in a private, not gated, lake community. I already look after my neighborhood without being asked. When I see someone I don't know, skulking about at night, I confront them. Their response determines their fate. ANY hostility will be dealt with HARSHLY. I don't turn my back, so this hasn't happened.... yet. These "ghetto wannabe's" have become almost all teens in the U.S. It makes me want to puke. Most incidents I have dealt with have been at the beach, late at night. Just some kids with nothing better to do, not causing any trouble. I leave them be. More and more often, it's these "thugs". They get loud or nasty, I tell them to leave. They don't? I block the parking lot entrance and say "Now you can't leave" (I love the look on their faces!) and call the cops.I stand, facing them, outside my truck, just praying for them to do something stupid before the cops arrive. The "ghetto" mentality is poisoning this country and has to be stamped out. I got size 12, steel toe boots that are just perfect for the job.....

[SUPERS@MURAI]

Thought this article on msn was interesting:

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/ ... erman?lite

[WD-40]

Well said Dad.