Why MT doesn't believe in this.

[Darth Crater]

Or God has always been in existence. It's something that is hard for our minds to comprehend. Just because you can't prove that God does exist with "hard evidence" or logical theory, doesn't mean he could not possibly exist

Really don't feel like going into details since I should be sleeping now, but...

You do realize that that last argument is absolutely meaningless? I equally cannot prove that the world isn't run by evil, invincible, intangible rabbits from the moons of Jupiter who are putting fluoride in our water to harvest dreams. Clearly, you and I should bow down to our new rabbit overlords.

Get back to me when your idea is testable, replicable, and useful for prediction. Or at least when you have an actual argument.

[[m'kay]]

Also, now that I think about it, if I was literally the only [m'kay] God and I created a bunch of people, it probably wouldn't be just to watch them do stupid [poo] all the time. I'd probably be looking for someone to stop sucking and get on my level so I could have some [m'kay] company.

I'm somewhat shocked that Narg and I share very similar opinions. Not to say that you, Narg, are unintelligent. It's just that few people seem to share my views. So, awesome.

"y'all [m'kay] gonna be as gods, yo" - N-Dawg

(Neitschze derails are literally the only thing more inflammatory than God derails)

[Darth Crater]

Transhumanism! If there is an omnipotent deity out there, we'll do our best to meet it as equals. Or, knowing humanity, declare war on it. We'll see.

[Yanoda]

Or God has always been in existence. It's something that is hard for our minds to comprehend. Just because you can't prove that God does exist with "hard evidence" or logical theory, doesn't mean he could not possibly exist

Or God is a fabrication of our imagination to get a sense of meaning in our lives and make simple explanations of how everything came to be.
How did Earth form? God did it!
How did life develop? God did it!
Why do we have hundreds of religions with different views? God did it!
Why does the devil exist? God did it!

See? No thought.

With your same argument I can claim that you cannot comprehend the existence of Unicorns, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Titans, Rama, Gitche Manitou, Ra etc. and that they could exist because we have no evidence disproving them.
You've demonstrated the Common Logical Fallacy "Argumentum ad Ignorantiam".

Next!

Cheers

Yanoda

[THEWULFMAN]

Yes well Christians with a brain in their head don't yell "God did it!" at every turn.

[Col. Hstar]

Or God has always been in existence. It's something that is hard for our minds to comprehend. Just because you can't prove that God does exist with "hard evidence" or logical theory, doesn't mean he could not possibly exist

Or God is a fabrication of our imagination to get a sense of meaning in our lives and make simple explanations of how everything came to be.
How did Earth form? God did it!
How did life develop? God did it!
Why do we have hundreds of religions with different views? God did it!
Why does the devil exist? God did it!

See? No thought.

With your same argument I can claim that you cannot comprehend the existence of Unicorns, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Titans, Rama, Gitche Manitou, Ra etc. and that they could exist because we have no evidence disproving them.
You've demonstrated the Common Logical Fallacy "Argumentum ad Ignorantiam".

Next!

Cheers

Yanoda

I'm currently at a Dr office getting a check up using my phone. There will be a response forth coming when I get home for now though I am going to clarify what I meant before. I was responding to Craters statement that he wants "hard evidence". Now from my perspective "hard evidence" would mean eye witness accounts, or proof through images or video, you know like when you report someone you need "hard evidence" not just speculation or talk. Neither side has this "hard evidence" which is why I said you cannot say God doesn't exist because of a lack of this TYPE of evidence. That's not to say there is no evidence, but that's for when I get back home and I gave a mouse pad and keyboard.

Get set guys. We're going another 50 pages

[Yanoda]

Yes well Christians with a brain in their head don't yell "God did it!" at every turn.

I wasn't implying every religious individual does it, but there are those that do make these arguments.

I'm currently at a Dr office getting a check up using my phone. There will be a response forth coming when I get home for now though I am going to clarify what I meant before. I was responding to Craters statement that he wants "hard evidence". Now from my perspective "hard evidence" would mean eye witness accounts, or proof through images or video, you know like when you report someone you need "hard evidence" not just speculation or talk. Neither side has this "hard evidence" which is why I said you cannot say God doesn't exist because of a lack of this TYPE of evidence. That's not to say there is no evidence, but that's for when I get back home and I gave a mouse pad and keyboard.

Science does not say/state God(s) doesn't/don't exist, it states that there is no evidence to validate the existence of God(s). The individual that claims that God(s) exist, must provide valid proof to support their claim. The lack of evidence thereof would mean that there is no argument for the existence of God(s). The problem is that using the "no evidence to disprove" argument would mean that all the other Mythological Beings and Deities would therefore also exist if one says that God(s) must exist because of lack of evidence disproving it/them.
Based on that analysis: It is safer to say, with the current evidence, that the likely hood of a supernatural being existing is slim to None.

The scientific theory of the evolution of life (through natural selection, mutation and adaption) explains the processes how life, we know so far, has developed is much better than any religious story/claim thus far. Evidences validating these processes are: Geologic Record, DNA analysis, Carbon Dating, Observations (adaption & mutation of bacteria and organisms over several generations), Actions over many years (selective breeding of dogs & bananas for example), Experimentation (Miller Urey Experiment and Computer Simulations) and Fossil Records are just a few.

So far, the indication/evidence of the existence of God(s) is lacking. I choose not to believe in a God for that reason.

Cheers

Yanoda

[[m'kay]]

Yes well Christians with a brain in their head don't yell "God did it!" at every turn.

I wasn't implying every religious individual does it, but there are those that do make these arguments.

I'm currently at a Dr office getting a check up using my phone. There will be a response forth coming when I get home for now though I am going to clarify what I meant before. I was responding to Craters statement that he wants "hard evidence". Now from my perspective "hard evidence" would mean eye witness accounts, or proof through images or video, you know like when you report someone you need "hard evidence" not just speculation or talk. Neither side has this "hard evidence" which is why I said you cannot say God doesn't exist because of a lack of this TYPE of evidence. That's not to say there is no evidence, but that's for when I get back home and I gave a mouse pad and keyboard.

Science does not say/state God(s) doesn't/don't exist, it states that there is no evidence to validate the existence of God(s). The individual that claims that God(s) exist, must provide valid proof to support their claim. The lack of evidence thereof would mean that there is no argument for the existence of God(s). The problem is that using the "no evidence to disprove" argument would mean that all the other Mythological Beings and Deities would therefore also exist if one says that God(s) must exist because of lack of evidence disproving it/them.
Based on that analysis: It is safer to say, with the current evidence, that the likely hood of a supernatural being existing is slim to None.

The scientific theory of the evolution of life (through natural selection, mutation and adaption) explains the processes how life, we know so far, has developed is much better than any religious story/claim thus far. Evidences validating these processes are: Geologic Record, DNA analysis, Carbon Dating, Observations (adaption & mutation of bacteria and organisms over several generations), Actions over many years (selective breeding of dogs & bananas for example), Experimentation (Miller Urey Experiment and Computer Simulations) and Fossil Records are just a few.

So far, the indication/evidence of the existence of God(s) is lacking. I choose not to believe in a God for that reason.

Cheers

Yanoda

We haven't even figured out how to live on the moon. Who the hell are we to decide whether or not a God exists? [m'kay] science saying Gods aren't possible, we're not even close to the point where we could begin to answer that question, and arguing about it is [m'kay] stupid. It's like we're [m'kay] around with sticks, and then saying that skyscrapers aren't possible because how do you make them out of sticks? The fact is, we're so far away from any point of being able to conduct experiments to determine the existence of God that simple belief is just as valid a reason as the hardest of science.

qed [female dog] thug lyfe

[Minwu325]

Well since i'm feeling down today i decided to finally post the why i don't believe in the big bang theory nor the evolution theory

Well to start off, the earth's dimencions are approximatly 40.000KM wich in space is nothing, if the earth would be around 4000KM bigger the gravity would increase so much that the earth would slowly move closer to the sun every year since it would go out of it's course...life would be imposible.
However if the earth would be around 3000KM smaller it's gravity would be too low and we would move away from the sun....and freeze to death.
Now if the earth would be around 5000KM closer of further to/from the sun life would be imposible.

The earth spins it's own dimencion once every 24 hours...if this would be longer or shorter one side would burn and the other side would freeze...life would be quite imposible.
There are of course much more things i could name here, like the magnetic field, and the atmosphere as well as the ozone layer...
To come to this i cannot believe that some explosion in space was able to put the earth in the position it currently is, with the exact right size traveling at the right speed with the right gravity, as well as the only discovered planet with an ozone layer on wich life can exist.

Even tough this could all be a cooincidence i do not believe so much luck is posible....
However the second part is more logic then the first..

About the Evolution theory....
cience as well as many religions believe the earth started off as a crust, a more or less rock with explosions vulcanos etc.
Now cience believes that after some time of changes a cel came to be of wich spawned life, okay so far.
Now can anyone tell me how the heck it is posible to get a biological life from a chemical reaction? as the earth was a crust with explosions lava etc...i really would like to know how chemical reactions can create a biological response...since modern cience hasn't prooven this.
Imagen this did somehow happen..

Imagen a cel came to be out of nothing, simple evolution.
Now there are 2 types of base cels, the ones with a core, and the ones without it.
The cels without a core do not come to be inteligent life, wich now creates bacteria and such, however cells with a core create inteligent life AKA humans come off cels with a core.
Now please tell me if cience believes life started with a cel without a core, then how is it posible that a coreless cel is able to somehow evolve into a cel with a core, and that this cel with a core is able to sustain a inteligent life form as complex as a human.
Modern cience HASN'T Prooven in any way this is posible.

Besides this, humans are supposed to be [well manicured man] sapiens like cience discribes them, so we are mamells and just inteligent animals...well i can get this logic besides the point where we don't act like animals.
Meaning we pollute the earth we live in, a dog doesn't take a dump in his house by figuere of speach, an animals do not reason, do not think, they work on an instinct, we are the only life form on this blue marble that doesn't.
We use animals for testing, the point being that humans do not act like animals, our brain is nothing related to them, also cientists discovered that both our bodies and our brains are made to last forever, while the bodies and brains of animals aren't...furthermore cientists cannot explain why after the third cycle we start dying...

The cycles are points in our life where our blood as well as our cells renew, this happens 3 times after we are born and not more.
This happens every 7 years so, at the age of 7, 14 and 21, remarkable that when we reach 28 the cells would need to be renewed and it doesn't happen for some reason...odder still that from that time people start getting weaker, start having back problems etc...

I could name much more things but i think this post will be quite big enough already...soon people will call me "dread "

MT

there's only one god, and i don't think he dresses like that

[Yanoda]

We haven't even figured out how to live on the moon. Who the hell are we to decide whether or not a God exists? [m'kay] science saying Gods aren't possible, we're not even close to the point where we could begin to answer that question, and arguing about it is [m'kay] stupid. It's like we're [m'kay] around with sticks, and then saying that skyscrapers aren't possible because how do you make them out of sticks? The fact is, we're so far away from any point of being able to conduct experiments to determine the existence of God that simple belief is just as valid a reason as the hardest of science.

Hence the statement, we have no current evidence that supports the existence of God(s).
We didn't know the existence of bacteria until 1676. Before that, no one claimed they existed since there was no current evidence proving them. The concept of God is the single most persistent claim that something exists despite the lack of evidence proving it. I would rather not debate the existence of God(s) but many take actions in the name of their view of God(s) (Terrorists and the Crusades), use God(s) in their arguments, claim that the religious have a higher morality than those not religious etc.

Our actions as a civilization is what defines us, not God(s) and what it wants us to do. Through our own knowledge and effort (science included), we have sent several individuals to the moon. Religion did not provide the technological advancement we had in the past century, it was science. The development of better medication and treatment in the past century was developed by science, not religion. I can go on, but you get the point.

We're even starting to create micro black holes now. Let's see religion do that.

Cheers

Yanoda