Why MT doesn't believe in this.

[[m'kay]]

The lives that religion has cost can indeed be quantified to a certain extent, and there wouldn't be all too much advancement without religion holding [poo] together for so long. And, of course, there's the fact that most scientific advancements from the first chunk of recorded history were from Muslim cultures, and most of those early scientists were almost certainly inspired by God.
But then, what do we need calculus for anyway?

Science was not motivated by religion, but by the search/craving for knowledge and understanding. Religion stated (says in the Holy texts) that the Earth was flat, the search for knowledge has led many people to discover that it was not so. Many scientific advancements have conflicted with the ideas/ideals of religion. Galileo being accused of heresy and was sentenced for house arrest for the rest of his life for claiming the earth was not the center of the Universe, is one notable example.

Next!

Cheers

Yanoda

Merely stating that Western religious beliefs conflicted directly with some renowned scientists hardly refutes my point, friend. And to say that people weren't inspired at least tangentially by religion while undergoing this 'search for knowledge' is a bit ignorant. And besides that, conflict is a part of life - science, if left untouched, would leave the majority of us without anything to believe in, which is very important for us because humans are not exactly the most rational [m'kay], and assuming that someone out there cares when you're suffering through your darkest hours is a hell of a nice thing. On the other hand, if science never challenged religion, [poo] would be bogus as hell because we'd just be sitting there toiling at menial tasks and just kinda waiting to die.

Everything has it's place, Yanoda. QED.


(I don't know what QED means but smartasses use it when they think they've made a point so i'm using it because i'm a smartass)

[THEWULFMAN]

You know there are people, "educated" people, who still think the Earth is flat? Yeah. This [poo] is real. Pisses me off.


Their FAQ just angers the [m'kay] out of me.

This is idiocy in its prime.

[Minwu325]

I read Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter as a historically accurate biography of the 16th president's real life

[Yanoda]

QED: quod erat demonstrandum - which was to be demonstrated
That was your class for today.

I disagree on several points:
I haven't singled out Western Religions, only gave notable examples there as they are most relevant. Another example is the mass sacrificing of people in the Aztec religion.
Belief is not solely constrained to religion.
One can still be rational without religion. I'm not religious, yet I don't randomly eat people's faces off (OK that was a bit of dramatization but you know what I mean!).
I know when you're suffering it can be difficult, I went through some hard times myself. Though I haven't wished for consolation from a deity, but received it through family and supporting friends. Belief may help, but it is the bonds between individuals that truly brings comfort (we are social species after all).
One can have fun and still be scientific and rational. Heck, I'm arguing here and posting random memes on another topic.
Religion doesn't necessarily create order. The Commandments state we shall not kill, yet many religious still do so. (Statistically, more theists commit crimes and are more numerous in prisons than non-theists based on population ratios).

I have nothing against Religion, just consider it flawed in its system and arguments.
Religion had its uses in the past, but not as much now.

Cheers

Yanoda

[Col. Hstar]

Or God is a fabrication of our imagination to get a sense of meaning in our lives and make simple explanations of how everything came to be.
How did Earth form? God did it!
How did life develop? God did it!
Why do we have hundreds of religions with different views? God did it!
Why does the devil exist? God did it!

See? No thought.

With your same argument I can claim that you cannot comprehend the existence of Unicorns, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Titans, Rama, Gitche Manitou, Ra etc. and that they could exist because we have no evidence disproving them.
You've demonstrated the Common Logical Fallacy "Argumentum ad Ignorantiam".
Next!

"Argumentum ad Ignorantiam"

I'll start with this one. You like to claim (since science being based solely on what can be proved) that there must be no God because there is no evidence to support this. Yet When I look all around myself and see, this planet that we live on, the absolute perfect conditions for sustaining human life, and down to the very fact that I am alive, I attribute that as proof and evidence of a higher power and creator. Please don't tell me I can not see this as evidence, because of evolution. Let me give an analogy:


This is your computer graphic project that you have been working on. It's looking great, you are obviously putting time and effort into making it, accounting for many small details even. Now would it be rational for me to look at that picture and say "oh wow, someone just set the computer to spit out some random code and miraculously this picture came together" No one would believe that in a million years. Yet you want us to believe that exactly that happened for this planet. (Which is far more complex then your drawing)

My argument isn't based on ignorance. I base it on common sense. You like to make these statements that mock the way people who believe in God explain things, but I can do that too.

Here is an evolutionists view:
How did Earth form? Just happen by chance
How did life develop? Just happen by chance
Why do we have hundreds of religions with different views? They're all crazy
Why does the devil exist? Because..... oh wait you believe in the Devil but not God?

See, No thought from you either.

When it all comes down to it. The theory of evolution and natural selection is based on faith just as much as belief in a creator. Sure you can make experiments and read those results as adding weight to your argument but the bottom line is, you don't know for sure. So just like my beliefs, you too must take a leap of faith.
An argument of ignorance. No, an argument of faith

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

OMG are you guys really starting this up again? seriously....it's not going anywhere.....
Just gimme the "hall of fame"(for biggest thread) and ill be happeh

MT

[The Master]

OMG are you guys really starting this up again? seriously....it's not going anywhere.....
Just gimme the "hall of fame"(for biggest thread) and ill be happeh

MT

Do I get a successful Necro Award. All I did was post a joke

[Yanoda]

Note: Made a few small edits marked in bold.

"Argumentum ad Ignorantiam"

I'll start with this one. You like to claim (since science being based solely on what can be proved) that there must be no God because there is no evidence to support this. Yet When I look all around myself and see, this planet that we live on, the absolute perfect conditions for sustaining human life, and down to the very fact that I am alive, I attribute that as proof and evidence of a higher power and creator. Please don't tell me I can not see this as evidence, because of evolution.

Never stated God absolutely does not exist. Only stated that current evidence indicates that a God does not exist. If evidence indicate otherwise, then it is safe to say it exists, which is lacking at the moment.
We do not live in perfect conditions, life (organisms etc.) have adapted to the environment to cope with it. We have natural disasters, the Universe is a harsh place (more than 99% of the known universe is not habitable, statistically).
70% of the Planet's surface is covered by sea water, 97% of water is saline which we cannot drink from.
Fresh water is about 2.5% of the total water we have, almost 70% of that is ice.
The planet has roughly only 13% arable land of the land surface, 5% that can support permanent crops.

The conditions of the planet is not perfect by far. Only small areas are decent for us to live on. Don't forget the mass extinctions that occurred in the past. Life adapts to the environment.

This is your computer graphic project that you have been working on. It's looking great, you are obviously putting time and effort into making it, accounting for many small details even. Now would it be rational for me to look at that picture and say "oh wow, someone just set the computer to spit out some random code and miraculously this picture came together" No one would believe that in a million years. Yet you want us to believe that exactly that happened for this planet. (Which is far more complex then your drawing)

I appreciate you sharing my work.
The watchmaker analogy, how very common...
I won't bother with this and let this link explain it (which does it far better than I can explain): http://www.atheist-community.org/faq/#watchmaker

My argument isn't based on ignorance. I base it on common sense. You like to make these statements that mock the way people who believe in God explain things, but I can do that too.

argumentum ad ignorantiam - Argument from ignorance:
is a fallacy in informal logic.
It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false, it is "generally accepted" (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that there is insufficient investigation and therefore insufficient information to prove the proposition satisfactorily to be either true or false. Nor does it allow the admission that the choices may in fact not be two (true or false), but may be as many as four, (1) true, (2) false, (3) unknown between true or false, and (4) being unknowable (among the first three). In debates, appeals to ignorance are sometimes used to shift the burden of proof.

Based on the definition, your previous post does apply to that fallacy.

Here is an evolutionists view:
How did Earth form? Just happen by chance
How did life develop? Just happen by chance
Why do we have hundreds of religions with different views? They're all crazy
Why does the devil exist? Because..... oh wait you believe in the Devil but not God?

See, No thought from you either.

I have indicated the extreme side of the religious argument, I should have made that more clear in my previous post.
I also haven't claimed any specific individual or group that make this claim, unlike you who clearly states it is evolutionist arguments.
The actual views in the scientific base:
How did Earth form? - Through the gravitational collapse of a massive molecular cloud. Most of the mass collected towards the center that jump started the fusion process in the sun. The rest collected into a protoplanetary disk from which the planets, moons and asteroids formed.
How did life develop? - The formation of amino acids in the early Earth from non-organic elements/compounds enabled the formation of more complex organic structures. Over long periods of time, the structures became more complex and eventually formed the first simple organisms (bacteria ect.). Over time, through mutation and environmental feedback (adaption) the simple organisms became more specialized and more complex. The rest I leave since i don't want to write a 3 page essay. This can be read on any science book and/or website

Why do we have hundreds of religions with different views? They're all crazy

Very ignorant of you to make that claim. Though if you call them crazy for their religious view, does that mean you also call yourself crazy?
Why do we have hundreds of religions with different views? People developed different cultures and views. Respectively, they developed their own form of religions to suit their culture.
Why does the devil exist? Never said I believe in the devil. Though if you believe in God(s) created everything, then it/they also created all the evils in the world.

When it all comes down to it. The theory of evolution and natural selection is based on faith just as much as belief in a creator. Sure you can make experiments and read those results as adding weight to your argument but the bottom line is, you don't know for sure. So just like my beliefs, you too must take a leap of faith.

Belief: noun
1. something believed; an opinion or conviction.
2. confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof.
3. confidence; faith; trust.
4. a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith.

Faith: noun
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing.
2. belief that is not based on proof.
3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion.
4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.
5. a system of religious belief.

I have provided several points and data that indicate the validity of the Evolutionary process, and support of my argument. Claiming that I put faith/belief in that is false in both definitions. Unlike, your position which fits the definitions of both Belief and Faith.

An argument of ignorance. No, an argument of faith

Read further up of this post for the definition of 'An argument of Ignorance', to which your position clearly fits.

Cheers

Yanoda

[11_Panama_]

Good job Col. I really wanted to stay out of this thread but you (Col.), gave me a thought. Talking about evolution. How is it possible that a plant can evolve? Wouldn't that plant have to be aware of itself? I mean, a plant is alive but is it aware of itself? Does it actually "think"? Here's where I'm going with this.....if it's a tropical plant, and it starts getting cold due to climate changes....does it "think" that I need to change? Does it "think" that I need to develop an antifreeze compound to survive? My thought is that to "evolve" it would have to be aware of itself, it would have to "think" rationaly, to understand the changes in his enviorment in order to survive. Right?

[ULTIMATE_EAW]

QED: quod erat demonstrandum - which was to be demonstrated
That was your class for today.

I disagree on several points:
I haven't singled out Western Religions, only gave notable examples there as they are most relevant. Another example is the mass sacrificing of people in the Aztec religion.
Belief is not solely constrained to religion.
One can still be rational without religion. I'm not religious, yet I don't randomly eat people's faces off (OK that was a bit of dramatization but you know what I mean!).
I know when you're suffering it can be difficult, I went through some hard times myself. Though I haven't wished for consolation from a deity, but received it through family and supporting friends. Belief may help, but it is the bonds between individuals that truly brings comfort (we are social species after all).
One can have fun and still be scientific and rational. Heck, I'm arguing here and posting random memes on another topic.
Religion doesn't necessarily create order. The Commandments state we shall not kill, yet many religious still do so. (Statistically, more theists commit crimes and are more numerous in prisons than non-theists based on population ratios).

I have nothing against Religion, just consider it flawed in its system and arguments.
Religion had its uses in the past, but not as much now.

Cheers

Yanoda

Whaaa. Ok whatever, i've always wanted to have a beautiful baby, and it will give family together for my girlfriend.

Do you think i need to learn American English. You know i love American people.