Why MT doesn't believe in this.

[Yanoda]

I haven't changed any of your quotes or postings.

I didn't state you edited my postings, but that you edited posts. Another baseless claim.

Your the one who can't seem to get the quote tabs to work correctly. Everytime you make another post it gets more jumbled together.

And you seem to also miss adding quotes. Seems I am not the only one making mistakes.

I have all the evidence I need for my beliefs you have all yours.

Bible: Ancient text that has been modified, altered and cherry picked over the course of 2 millenia. Do not forget that there are many sub religions that interpret the Bible differently.
Watchmaker Argument: Cannot be used as evidence... since there is no evidence, just argumentation.

It's different because many refuse to believe in God because they feel he is responsible for the evil we see today. They assume he is not going to do anything about it. Knowing the origins of evil allows someone to accept the situation we find ourselves in today. In a world surrounded by the influence of the devil.

Where is the statistics that back up that claim? As far as know, many do not believe in a God because they do not believe in it, very definition of Atheist.

This part I didn’t understand. That may be why atheists don’t believe in God, but not everyone is an atheist. I did not state that was how everyone felt. D Crater asked why my beliefs about the devil helps…..that’s why. Come on Yanoda, I should have to be getting on you to read the whole statement and keep it in context. Statistics, you need statistic to know that’s one of the reasons people don’t believe in God, you’re even using it in an argument right below this line. You deflect an argument that you have no response to by asking for evidence, don’t be hypocritical.

The definition of Atheist is not believing in Deities. There are many reasons why Atheists do not believe in Deities, not just that they believe that God created the Devil as you claim.
I asked you to provide something (statistics) to validate your claim. You refuse, you say I need to provide statistics validating my claim Atheists do not believe in God since they do not believe in it (which by definition of 'Atheist' is already given), they may have their reason 'why they don't believe' but I didn't state that. Then you say I deflect an argument by asking for evidence.
This clearly indicates your blatant hypocrisy.

We can each bury our heads in our respective holes. And BTW insulting? Look at the titles to your videos you post, then come back and talk to me about insulting.

I see no indication of you providing evidence, only arguments based on claims. Mind listing a few evidences you provided since I'm clearly too

deaf and blind

.
And before you claim I quote mined:

At times I feel (as I'm sure you do too) like I'm talking to a wall, er I mean a deaf and blind person since you don't like to compare objects with people

EDIT: @ Crater please show me one scientific fact that I posted where I bent the data to conform to my argument.

Here you go.

I'll start with this one. You like to claim (since science being based solely on what can be proved) that there must be no God because there is no evidence to support this. Yet When I look all around myself and see, this planet that we live on, the absolute perfect conditions for sustaining human life, and down to the very fact that I am alive, I attribute that as proof and evidence of a higher power and creator. Please don't tell me I can not see this as evidence, because of evolution.

We do not live in perfect conditions, life (organisms etc.) have adapted to the environment to cope with it. We have natural disasters, the Universe is a harsh place (more than 99% of the known universe is not habitable, statistically).
70% of the Planet's surface is covered by sea water, 97% of water is saline which we cannot drink from.
Fresh water is about 2.5% of the total water we have, almost 70% of that is ice.
The planet has roughly only 13% arable land of the land surface, 5% that can support permanent crops.

The conditions of the planet is not perfect by far. Only small areas are decent for us to live on. Don't forget the mass extinctions that occurred in the past. Life adapts to the environment.

Not perfect? As you say the rest of the universe is uninhabitable, I would think that fact alone should prove my case.

[[m'kay]]

you aren't arguing against homestar's ideas, you're arguing against homestar as a person



stop being a [m'kay] ignoramus yanoda

[Yanoda]

you aren't arguing against homestar's ideas, you're arguing against homestar as a person
stop being a [m'kay] ignoramus yanoda

How so?
I addressed the points he's making. I've stated current scientific knowledge to explain the processes of Evolution, the different processes that lead to evolution (observed and experimented, as well as providing links), explained the world is not perfectly suitable for life (with data provided) etc. Where was I ignorant in anyway?
Was it, that the the Bible shouldn't considered a source for information concerning the origin of life and how we came to be? Based on historic evidence that the Bible has been modified and altered throughout history.
Was it, that I state the argumental fallacies (argument from ignorance, argument from scripture, begging the question, and (shifting the) burden of proof are a few examples) of Homestar (Note that others also mention that)? Making claims without providing sources is a weak way to emphasize your argument. I ask for evidence and I'm accused of shifting the argument.
Was it, that I provide points where Homestar is being hypocritical (providing his quotes to support that claim)? While him claiming that I am being hypocritical without providing examples.
Was it, that I provided an example were Homestar was misinterpreting data and bending results towards his ideas?

Why am I considered the "ignomarus" again? Can you please expand on that and provide examples?
Please review the definitions of Ignomarus and Ignorant.

Cheers

Yanoda

[Col. Hstar]

Actually the quotes you posted of me "bending" scientific data to meet my arguments is wrong and shows the problem with what you view as scientific data. Looking around at creation and deciding that it must have been designed is an observation there was no data to bend there is no experiment that was conducted, it's an observation. If you think that was data you should review your own definition of the scientific process.

With regards to the hypocrisy issue, it was when you wanted to argue that since Isaiah 45:7 said that God created evil, then he was responsible for it. I'm using my phone so I can to quotes but anyone who is interested can go back an look at the posts. The hypocrisy part came into play when you didn't want me to use scriptures to explain them. Instead you say the bible is an unreliable source, yet when it suits your argument it's fine?!?

Lastly, my last post before this was saying we could stick to our own beliefs. There was a request made to Crater that you felt you needed to answer for him but I was basiclly saying to go our own way. Yet you feel the need to continue making your arguments. When someone has to continually say the same thing over and over again it means they're trying to convince themselves. If you happy with your beliefs leave it at that. I'm happy with mine and content that I have said my piece.

[[m'kay]]

you aren't arguing against homestar's ideas, you're arguing against homestar as a person
stop being a [m'kay] ignoramus yanoda

How so?
I addressed the points he's making. I've stated current scientific knowledge to explain the processes of Evolution, the different processes that lead to evolution (observed and experimented, as well as providing links), explained the world is not perfectly suitable for life (with data provided) etc. Where was I ignorant in anyway?
Was it, that the the Bible shouldn't considered a source for information concerning the origin of life and how we came to be? Based on historic evidence that the Bible has been modified and altered throughout history.
Was it, that I state the argumental fallacies (argument from ignorance, argument from scripture, begging the question, and (shifting the) burden of proof are a few examples) of Homestar (Note that others also mention that)? Making claims without providing sources is a weak way to emphasize your argument. I ask for evidence and I'm accused of shifting the argument.
Was it, that I provide points where Homestar is being hypocritical (providing his quotes to support that claim)? While him claiming that I am being hypocritical without providing examples.
Was it, that I provided an example were Homestar was misinterpreting data and bending results towards his ideas?

Why am I considered the "ignomarus" again? Can you please expand on that and provide examples?
Please review the definitions of Ignomarus and Ignorant.

Cheers

Yanoda

see, this is the kind of stupid [poo] i've been talking about, I posted two [m'kay] lines and you retorted with like 6 times the words because it makes you feel superior I guess?

well keep on with your dumbass little debates that go absolutely nowhere and change no minds, i'm sure it's not a completely pointless activity

[Commander Sparrow]

[Yanoda]

see, this is the kind of stupid [poo] i've been talking about, I posted two [m'kay] lines and you retorted with like 6 times the words because it makes you feel superior I guess?
well keep on with your dumbass little debates that go absolutely nowhere and change no minds, i'm sure it's not a completely pointless activity

This is a discussion, what else did you expect? No, I do not consider myself superior, though it is amusing that you come to this conclusion.
If you don't like this, then don't derail the topic and make insults.

Cheers

Yanoda

[[m'kay]]

see, this is the kind of stupid [poo] i've been talking about, I posted two [m'kay] lines and you retorted with like 6 times the words because it makes you feel superior I guess?
well keep on with your dumbass little debates that go absolutely nowhere and change no minds, i'm sure it's not a completely pointless activity

This is a discussion, what else did you expect? No, I do not consider myself superior, though it is amusing that you come to this conclusion.
If you don't like this, then don't derail the topic and make insults.

Cheers

Yanoda

see now this is a reasonable reply that's not just trying to shove words down my throat like i'm some cheap taiwanese whore

do more of this

[Yanoda]

see now this is a reasonable reply that's not just trying to shove words down my throat like i'm some cheap taiwanese whore

do more of this

Kinky

Cheers

Yanoda

[[m'kay]]

Well, now i'm just not satisfied. I'm sorry, but i'm out.