Why MT doesn't believe in this.

[Col. Hstar]

I'm not sure what you mean by "making progress". I can list a string of my arguments which you have completely ignored, and which I am therefore forced to assume you do not dispute, in favor of semantics about "faith". I suppose I can call that progress.

Me thinks I struck a nerve

We can debate the validity of the bible next if you like.

Sure. A book, demonstrably written by humans, which some consider to provide evidence for a deity's existence because they have failed to notice the circular logic involved (God exists because the Bible says so, the Bible is true because God created it). Done.

Oops epic Bible fail. That wasn't a serious argument so I'll give it a half hearted argument. Circle broken - God exist because creation says so, the Bible is true because it's a book written over the course of human history with prophecies that came true. 66 books penned by 40 different men but never contradicts itself because it was written under divine inspiration. Valuable wisdom for us today even though last book written over 1900 years ago.... I could totally go on.

Because the belief in God is based on the evidence and our common sense approach that all creation from the vast universe to the smaller but no less important strands of DNA

This is not even a proper sentence. I can't tell if you meant something along the lines of "all was created" or "all creation is equally important". In any case, I have seen no evidence from your side of the debate, merely your pointing out a few gaps in our current knowledge. All of these either have more evidence for competing hypotheses than they do for yours, or have no evidence at all. In none of these cases should you be favoring a god, unless your worldview is simply that divorced from reality.

A few gaps?! I would hardly call the origin of the universe a gap Also the theory of evolution ABSOLUTLY involves the universe because evolution is life occurring without God if you insist there is no God you must account for everything not just human life.

You cling to this idea that everything you believe in is based on scientific fact, but as I have been pointing out (things I spent time researching that you have yet to respond to) the theory of evolution CANNOT provide a solid iron clad answer for what began the process of 1. The universe 2. Life of any kind on earth 3. The existence of human life as we know it today

Why are you once again:
-talking about "evolution" without clarifying whether or not you include abiogenesis? If you include it it satisfies 2 and 3, if you don't it satisfies 3 and abiogenesis separately satisfies 2.
-Connecting "evolution" with the origin of the universe, which is not even in the same field of study?
See above
-Continuously bringing up points like this which I have refuted previously, and which you have provided no counterarguments to support?
What points?
I can understand lack of knowledge. I cannot forgive utter failure to learn.
Failure to agree to your beliefs
By the way, the comment about 666 was mentioned because it has relevance to religion in popular culture. No "worry" anywhere.

If I truly thought you were worried I'd go into a long part about numerology.

[[m'kay]]

Homestar, I read your last post, and i'll i'm seeing is a whole bunch of "NO GOD DID IT" without any actual ideas behind it, which is a far cry from what I saw earlier in this hellish thread. No, the process of organisms evolving from the primordial soup has absolutely nothing to do with the beginning of the universe, and honestly I have absolutely no clue why you think it does. I mean, it's somehow even more illogical than not following logic at all. If I were to follow your line of argument, I don't even know what I would reply with, because it is that incredibly obtuse and nonsensical. I'm not even kidding, I sat there for about five minutes trying to think of an acceptable analogue, and I couldn't think of a single one. I'm going to be frank - that argument was so incredibly stupid that I couldn't equal it unless I was high on literally everything. Take a break, man. It's not worth continuing right now.

[Col. Hstar]

Homestar, I read your last post, and i'll i'm seeing is a whole bunch of "NO GOD DID IT" without any actual ideas behind it, which is a far cry from what I saw earlier in this hellish thread. No, the process of organisms evolving from the primordial soup has absolutely nothing to do with the beginning of the universe, and honestly I have absolutely no clue why you think it does. I mean, it's somehow even more illogical than not following logic at all. If I were to follow your line of argument, I don't even know what I would reply with, because it is that incredibly obtuse and nonsensical. I'm not even kidding, I sat there for about five minutes trying to think of an acceptable analogue, and I couldn't think of a single one. I'm going to be frank - that argument was so incredibly stupid that I couldn't equal it unless I was high on literally everything. Take a break, man. It's not worth continuing right now.

Evolution (the process of organisms evolving from primordial soup) removes God from the equation of how life came to be correct? If you then believe god had nothing to do with life would you believe he created the universe? No your belief in evolution is based on the fact that there is no God. This is why I ask anyone who believes in evolution how the universe came to be.
You can't believe in God and the theory of evolution. If you believe in God, you must believe in the creation acct. the creation acct does not say God mixed soup to create life. It says he created man in his own image.

EDIT: Oh and rest assure I will take a real long break when I feel I no longer have anything to contribute or I sense the disscussion has reache an impass. As far as being high not helping the situation, I couldnt agree more.

[[m'kay]]

No, that is entirely false. Saying that you have to believe in something that doesn't make sense in order to believe in God does not support your point, it makes you look like an idiot, and actually defeats your entire purpose. You seem to be under the impression that people are scientists or Christians. I don't know why you have this impression, but it's sure as [poo] not making you look smart. You say that you believe we were created in God's own image? In that case, let's have someone play the Sims. Then let's have them make billions of Sims, every single one a unique individual. There are two possibilities: they will say "[m'kay] this noise" and just hit the randomize button and see what happens, or they have mega autism and a bizarre willingness to follow really stupid orders. Now let's expand that a bit - let's say that there's an entire [m'kay] universe, and this someone has to do the same thing for every single one. Wouldn't you just say [m'kay] it and start throwing things around to make things happen and hope everything turns out right?

And no, you don't get to use that "oh but we are all imperfect and God is perfect" [poo]. If we're made in his image, and he is perfect, then he is completely terrible at being God just like we would be. If he made us imperfect on purpose, then he's a giant [Richard] and we're never going to find him anyway, because he's probably hiding just beyond the universe snickering at us and occasionally throwing a meteor or too just to see how we react, along with the countless others he's created.

[Col. Hstar]

No, that is entirely false. Saying that you have to believe in something that doesn't make sense in order to believe in God does not support your point, it makes you look like an idiot, and actually defeats your entire purpose. You seem to be under the impression that people are scientists or Christians. I don't know why you have this impression, but it's sure as [poo] not making you look smart. You say that you believe we were created in God's own image? In that case, let's have someone play the Sims. Then let's have them make billions of Sims, every single one a unique individual. There are two possibilities: they will say "[m'kay] this noise" and just hit the randomize button and see what happens, or they have mega autism and a bizarre willingness to follow really stupid orders. Now let's expand that a bit - let's say that there's an entire [m'kay] universe, and this someone has to do the same thing for every single one. Wouldn't you just say [m'kay] it and start throwing things around to make things happen and hope everything turns out right?

And no, you don't get to use that "oh but we are all imperfect and God is perfect" [poo]. If we're made in his image, and he is perfect, then he is completely terrible at being God just like we would be. If he made us imperfect on purpose, then he's a giant [Richard] and we're never going to find him anyway, because he's probably hiding just beyond the universe snickering at us and occasionally throwing a meteor or too just to see how we react, along with the countless others he's created.

So if I can make sure I have this right, your saying that you believe there is a God but that we came about through the evolutionary process. Would you please explain what you basing this on. You see everyone who believes in God bases it on something. Whether its the Bible, Mythology, Ancestors, The Book of Mormon, Buddha....etc and I would like to know yours. Otherwise if I were you I would go stick myself in the stereotypical box that Yanoda an Darth Crater cry about when they say people believe in god based on nothing.
Oh and try to control yourself, you sound like a fool when you try to put other people down for defending their beliefs

[theavengers85]

Question: Bible states humans ---> sin ---> death

Evolution = massive death --->species---> death---->species--->death --> humans

So evolution states death before sin.

So which is it?

Evolution and Christianity are incompatible philosophies/faiths/etc. You have to stick with one side or the other.

[The Master]

In that case, let's have someone play the Sims. Then let's have them make billions of Sims, every single one a unique individual. There are two possibilities: they will say "[m'kay] this noise" and just hit the randomize button and see what happens, or they have mega autism and a bizarre willingness to follow really stupid orders.

That analogy was stupid. You once told me to stay out of the discussion because I was too stupid to join it. I think you need to follow your own advice. Words cannot express how utterly stupid that was

[11_Panama_]

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[Col. Hstar]

Too late, the SWGO riots have begun. There's violence in the Non-Game Disscusion forum, unrest has led to vandelism and looting in the Pics and Vids section. Site Administrators have deployed Game Admins in riot gear as a show of force in the Report Glitchers and Trouble makers forum. Community Noobs have staged a "peace" protest against being called "Noobs" in the Say hello Section, Tech Support has been set up as triage and in the More PC games section...well actual nothing ever happens there anyway.

[[m'kay]]

No, that is entirely false. Saying that you have to believe in something that doesn't make sense in order to believe in God does not support your point, it makes you look like an idiot, and actually defeats your entire purpose. You seem to be under the impression that people are scientists or Christians. I don't know why you have this impression, but it's sure as [poo] not making you look smart. You say that you believe we were created in God's own image? In that case, let's have someone play the Sims. Then let's have them make billions of Sims, every single one a unique individual. There are two possibilities: they will say "[m'kay] this noise" and just hit the randomize button and see what happens, or they have mega autism and a bizarre willingness to follow really stupid orders. Now let's expand that a bit - let's say that there's an entire [m'kay] universe, and this someone has to do the same thing for every single one. Wouldn't you just say [m'kay] it and start throwing things around to make things happen and hope everything turns out right?

And no, you don't get to use that "oh but we are all imperfect and God is perfect" [poo]. If we're made in his image, and he is perfect, then he is completely terrible at being God just like we would be. If he made us imperfect on purpose, then he's a giant [Richard] and we're never going to find him anyway, because he's probably hiding just beyond the universe snickering at us and occasionally throwing a meteor or too just to see how we react, along with the countless others he's created.

So if I can make sure I have this right, your saying that you believe there is a God but that we came about through the evolutionary process. Would you please explain what you basing this on. You see everyone who believes in God bases it on something. Whether its the Bible, Mythology, Ancestors, The Book of Mormon, Buddha....etc and I would like to know yours. Otherwise if I were you I would go stick myself in the stereotypical box that Yanoda an Darth Crater cry about when they say people believe in god based on nothing.
Oh and try to control yourself, you sound like a fool when you try to put other people down for defending their beliefs

buddhism =/= christianity, for one thing, and so help me if you think that buddha is the god of buddhism i'm going to smack you

For another, you aren't attacking my argument, you're attacking me as a person. No, I don't believe in God necessarily. I just believe that we don't know enough to make a judgement one way or the other, as i've said multiple times in this thread before you guys started having your herculean level slap fight. But honestly, the part of this post that pisses me off the most is the bit where you tell me that I have to be following some kind of strict doctrine in order to believe in something. Are you honestly trying to say that my opinion means nothing if I don't adhere to some dogma that "this is EXACTLY what happened now shut the [m'kay] up and GET BACK TO WORK"? [m'kay] that [poo]. I'm going to come to my own goddamn conclusions, and if you believe that somehow makes my argument less compelling, then I don't really know what to say. If I was a Christian, i'd be trying to bridge my beliefs with the things we've discovered as a race, not just sitting there with my hands over my ears whining about how people are calling me an idiot.

I'm not calling you an idiot because you're a Christian. I'm calling you an idiot because you are being an idiot and I would like you to stop.

(and for the record the More PC Games section is where i'm hanging out and building my army so watch your [m'kay] backs)