Why MT doesn't believe in this.

[Yanoda]

Why many laws of God cannot apply today. Though some were addressed by Homestar I believe.

Sorry, but I do not have the time to give a proper post at the moment.

Cheers

Yanoda

[11_Panama_]

Oh, Wulfie, if only I had the time...

I must say, you sound like a fairly bitter, mean, unhappy person. How's that atheism working for ya?

It is jackasses like you that give all atheists a bad name, and it is people like you who make me never want to be an atheist, so please leave the conversation before you do even more damage. We were doing fine without you.

I think Wulfi said that he does believe in God. Right?....am I mistaken? That's what I understood on his post. He said not to take the Bible so literally, but I never saw anything about him not believing.

[Col. Hstar]

I believe he was saying ( Wulf correct me if I'm wrong) I think he said he believes in God to be on the safe side.

@Bueno. I had a slight setback last week I literally popped a stitch all good now but I'm supposed to take it easy. (NO IT WAS BECAUSE OF ALL THE LONG POSTINGS )

[Darth Crater]

Ariel - I still plan to get to the computer stuff, hopefully today.

[THEWULFMAN]

Oh, Wulfie, if only I had the time...

I must say, you sound like a fairly bitter, mean, unhappy person. How's that atheism working for ya?

It is jackasses like you that give all atheists a bad name, and it is people like you who make me never want to be an atheist, so please leave the conversation before you do even more damage. We were doing fine without you.

Sucks for you, I'll comment here any time I feel like it. I'm not an atheist you snarky monkey hatchet. Jackasses like me? Fine. If what I said makes me a jackass, I wear the badge if jackassery with honor. Sorry I don't blindly follow the bible like you do.

I think Wulfi said that he does believe in God. Right?....am I mistaken? That's what I understood on his post. He said not to take the Bible so literally, but I never saw anything about him not believing.

You are completely correct.

I believe he was saying ( Wulf correct me if I'm wrong) I think he said he believes in God to be on the safe side.

First, sorry to hear you popped a stitch, that had to suck. Get well soon.

Second. You are indeed wrong. I've been a Christian for 19 years and I'm not about to stop. My comment was to atheists, not that I personally follow Pascal's Wager. My point was I didn't see the point of not believing in God. There's no reason not to, and no one can use the "there's no evidence" argument. I believe in God because I believe in God, it's that simple, not because it's the safe bet. I've been given no evidence in my entire life for that fact. All my prayers were pretty much unanswered (which I don't resent God for in any way, and don't pray to him with requests of any kind now. I would love talking about that sometime).

I appreciate you going to the time to address each quote of mine. I should have mentioned I was under no illusion of the purposes and meaning of these lines. I knew not eating seafood and pigs was for sanitary reasons. I knew it was socially accepted back then to stone people, not just accepted, it was expected. One of my major issues here is that they were ever accepted so blindly, and I'm supposed to follow all these rules without a single reason why. Why? It's a simple question not enough people asked back then. They just blindly followed without knowing "why?"

I'm very sorry, I shouldn't have left so many things in my post out. I was tired, and impatient. Still am, really. Yay 5 hours of restless sleep last night...

One thing I really wanted to mention was my personal views on homosexuality. Why is it a sin? Why is the act of homosexuality a sin? If God expects me to hate the act of homosexuality and/or homosexuals themselves, he better have a damn good reason he's not telling us. I won't hear "Because he said so." That's [poo] I won't accept. Still wanting us to breed as much as possible back then? Possible, but it's not a problem now. Matter of fact we could use more gay couples adopting kids, we don't need any more than the 7,000,000,000 people on this Earth. Just wait till we leave Earth, and colonize other moons and planets? Population isn't a problem anymore.

If I'm wrong, and he does view homosexuality as a sin? I'll talk to him when I die, tell him how stupid he is, and gladly walk to hell.

Oh, and if you're right and we're only suppose to hate the act of homosexuality, then someone needs to talk to the members of the Westboro Baptist Church that they're [m'kay] up.

So many things simply are expected to be taken on blind faith and obeyed without a reason why. Why is sexuality such a sin? If he created us in his image, why did he make us literally so horny? It would be as if you gave a bird wings, but told it if it flied, it would be sinning. Is it some kind of test? I don't think he created us in his image. If he did, he's a cruel, horrible God(which, actually, he kinda is in the old testament. If he didn't like how things were going, MASS MURDER was his solution. Hell he killed 70,000 Jews because they were part of a census. Apparently censuses are evil). God makes us horny, greedy and violent, then gets mad at us when we're horny, greedy and violent? [poo]. He didn't create us personally, purposefully, because if he did, he's a manipulating ass. I refuse to believe that. I like God, and I'm not about to let logic tell me he's an [derriere orifice] so I basically refuse to believe anything that makes him horrible. For instance, people say he's responsible for everything. You get cancer? God did/allowed it. Your defeat your cancer? God did it. You win the lottery? God did it. Your angry ex kills your new love? God did/allowed it. I personally believe he doesn't do anything right now. He's not responsible for hurricane Katrina. He's not responsible for the cures of diseases.

And here's my favorite (non-sarcastic bit), I don't want him interfering in our daily lives. We, are human. We are gifted, (by means of creation or evolution) with intelligence. It's our world. It's our species. They're our problems. We need to be the ones to fix them. Doesn't mat.ter if we're the products of evolution or intelligent design, what would be the point of God helping us out, doing things for us all the time? If it's creationism, then why did he bother creating us if just to coddle us like babes? Even if it's evolution, he shouldn't hold our hands just because we're a species that evolved enough to worship him.

There's other things, but I have a killer headache and can't keep typing right now. Peace.

[[m'kay]]

You know, at this point I think a discussion on why we believe in whatever we do might be more interesting than the argument that's been going on thus far. I mean sure, whether or not God exists is an important question, but i've always been more interested in the "why" than the "what", so to speak.

Think I might start me a new topic, so long as we can all agree to keep actual arguments and [poo] in this one, yeah?

[THEWULFMAN]

Sounds good to me. Just try to make the title a little more self-explanatory than this one.

[Col. Hstar]

@Wulf's earlier post, I'd like to say one more thing on the er if I might. 
With regards to the issue of God interfering with our lives, one of the thing that made a big impression on me was when I realized that God does not want automatic worship, or blind faith to be put in him. We are free to decide what we will do with our lives. He offers no threat of eternal torture in hell, he says the wages sin pays is death. Ecclesiastes says that the when some one dies in that day their thoughts do perish, the dead are conscious of nothing at all. 

I've always viewed the bible as a letter from God that allows us to learn about him, to get to know what he thinks and how he views things. While no one is forced to follow Gods statutes he does offer reward for those who do choose to follow his guidelines. 

As far as the act of homosexuality, I know you dot want to hear "because God says so" but if you look at it from the standpoint that God created everything, that would give him the right to determine the proper uses for his creation. But as I said you would have to accept that God created us, I think you said you feel he didn't so I see where your confusion lies. 

As far as the hating of people who are homosexual of you look at Proverbs 6:16 it talks about the things God hates. It's a summary of all things detestable to him but what I want to point out is that it's the things and actions that he hates. Not people or type of people he hates. Jesus when he was on earth ministered, not to the Rabbis and the Priests but to those who were considered sinners. He had great love for anyone who was listening to him. In my opinion this is how God views us. He wants us to follow the advice he gives, but he isn't going to force it on us. We make the choice whether or not to follow him. What is important is that we still take time to learn about him, and then make an informed decision about how we want to lead out lives.
That's all I'll say on it. Unless you want me to explain it more coherently I'm doing all this from my phone right now. I'd be more then happy to back all this up with scriptural references if needed too. 

[THEWULFMAN]

That was a nice post. Thanks Colonel. I had forgotten about Proverbs 6:16-19. I'll keep those handy.

In my belief, I don't care if God created us or not, there's nothing wrong with being homosexual unless he can come up with a really good reason. If we say "just because he created us, he can tell us what to do" then where does it end? No. I'll worship God because he deserves it, not because he tells me so. If God came to me, and told me to kill my father, I wouldn't do it. He wouldn't, but that's not my point. You can't do everything God says just because he says to do it. That's slavery.

[11_Panama_]

I feel like I have to be blasphemous here. If I die and was able to talk to God, I would have to ask him..."If homosexuality is detested by you, why did you make them that way"? And I'm sure His answer will make me revert back to a child, a child that asks "why" after every answer.