Guns and the Controlling of Them

[mrjamwin]

Sorry Samonuh, I'm breaking the rules here. Dutch please don't enter this discussion you are stupid and immature and it's so damn obvious you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Seriously.

Look just stop. Sure i am immature and all but i know alot when it comes to guns .

Then prove it by actually having an intelligent discussion and tell us why you know alot about guns and why you think and feel the way you do.

[Darth Crater]

Duel - Even then it's always going to be doable to get one illegally (no statistics, but I'd imagine the existence of legal distributors makes this a lot easier). You can't get anywhere near all of them without major rights violations. Might reduce some, though, it's true.

Also, I feel like this needs to be said - the shooting in Colorado was a tragedy. However, it does not, in itself, constitute an argument either for or against gun control. It does give us a bit more data (gun crime occurred, these laws were in place, etc.), so it might shift the statistics a bit, but it should not be majorly influencing you either way.

... Yes, Dutch, please tell us all you know from playing CoD or what have you. It will mean precisely nothing. I doubt you know anything about guns, gun control laws, or related statistics that would be useful here. I certainly haven't looked into the matter in detail before (though I should probably do so now or soon). So, fair warning - not much knowledge of the relevant data or laws. Only experience with guns is a few hours on a boy scout thing and secondhand from the internet (which isn't worth nearly as much as actually using/owning one).

[THEWULFMAN]

Like Samonuh I will do a tiny preface of who I am.

I'm an Independent who thinks Republics and Democrats on the whole suck. I share views from both sides, but refuse to associate myself with either's extremes.

In my opion here. The goverment needs to controll our guns and the distribte of them. Look we even got kids taking guns to school to kill there bullies and teachers. We need to crack down on this hole gun thing.

Dutch, you have no idea what you're talking about. You don't even know why we have the second amendment do you? The purpose is so that we can defend out country as a militia if need be, protect ourselves from criminals, and most important, have the ability to uprise against our government if they become too controlling and dictatorial. If the government controls the guns that much, it makes doing the latter a lot harder.

Here's some things people need to understand.

Criminals will always have guns. No mat.ter what, no exceptions. No amount of laws will change thing. Criminals don't obey laws. If someone has the money, they can always get a gun illegally.
Open carry and conceal would increase the number of people killed yes, most of them criminals. If you're a criminal and you want to shoot someone, you can get a gun illegally. Or even use other weapons besides a gun, blunt force trauma seems popular. Bad people will always murder, the only question is how.

I don't know if we should have open gun laws. I do think we should have open conceal and carry. People will conceal and carry if they really want to regardless of law.

I know I'm going to get a gun, and my conceal and carry license as soon as I can. I'll also take some more training. I've gotten a little gun safety training, where to hold the gun, where to point it, when to take the safety off, always check if there's a round in the chamber before maintaining your gun, stuff like that. But you can never have too much training.

I'd like to virtually shake MD's hand, since he seems like my kind of bro. I'm a christian, but I don't think all killing is bad.

There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

The man who shot the theater up was not innocent. I believe God would understand if I killed him.

[Yanoda]

Statistically gun related deaths are almost related to how strict or lenient gun control is.

Though there are many more factors that can influence gun violence and crimes in general.

I'll make a more proper post later when I have more time.

Cheers

Yanoda

[WD-40]

Statistically gun related deaths are almost related to how strict or lenient gun control is.

Though there are many more factors that can influence gun violence and crimes in general.

I'll make a more proper post later when I have more time.

Cheers

Yanoda

Not sure I have the patience to read an entire thesarus on what you plan to write Yanoda, but the Brits have relatively strict gun control... I believe. Perhaps you or Swine can relay that info and how they do it and are doing.

Hypothetically, we could beef up our police forces throughout the country, and effectively enforce weapons laws by doing aggressive search and seizures of anyone carrying a gun illegally (i.e. Gangs). Will Law Enforcement get all the guns? Heck no!...Not even close. Upon hearing of such an enforcement, people all over (The Good, The Bad, and even the Ugly) will start hiding their weapons anywhere they can in order to keep them. Gangs won't carry them until they need to cap someone's ass. If we got the guns from those illegally possessing them, what then? Destroy the guns? Store them somewhere? Sell them to the Mexican Drug Cartels? Do we arrest those who had them? If so, how could we possibly imprison the millions who illegally have them, when the prisons are already overpopulated? The country is literally bankrupt and existing on borrowed cash, so building more prisons is off the table.

However, the public opinion/constitutionality problem becomes apparent when in order to enforce such an action by Law Enforcement, some measure of 'privacy' or 'lack of evidence' violations will have to occur to even touch this type of action by law. Congress would literally need to 'amend' the Constitution in order to enforce it legally. And you know how that wouldn't sit well with the powerful National Rifle Association and other pro-gun powerhouses around the country! And Congressional Members love their jobs and want donations and to get re-elected.... So, they won't bite the hand that feeds them or do anything too drastic by angering those power players. They will do what they always do...find something in the middle that resembles 'patchwork', instead of full-blown repair.

I'm all for the Right to Bear Arms...by those responsible enough to carry them legally. Granted, our Country's Founders didn't envision the weapons we have today, and certainly not the abuse of weapons to commit the atrocities that we've witnessed in our lifetimes. But they did foresee the need to always protect our Life, Liberty, Property and Pursuit of Happiness. It's the A-hole wackos out their that screw it all up.

[(SWGO)Kren]

Militias exist, and I feel that they will grow even more now than ever. I'm all for the Militia, in that they may very well be our last line of defense if our Country is ever attacked and overrun. They were our first line of defense when the British attacked the colonies during the Revolutionary War...as an example..

See, if you hadn't formed a militia and rejected British rule, the British hadn't written the 1689 bill of rights perhaps you wouldn't be in the situation now. Now you become a colony again and re-join the Empire all will be well in the Universe once more. Sound's more like Star Wars every day

Not sure I have the patience to read an entire thesarus on what you plan to write Yanoda, but the Brits have relatively strict gun control... I believe. Perhaps you or Swine can relay that info and how they do it and are doing.

Being a little more serious now we do have stricter gun control over here but that does not mean there is not gun crimes or guns in circulation. Does this prevent shooting, I am afraid not and there will always be that criminal element intent on purchasing such weapons illegally and using them. Over a hundred years ago carrying a gun was common place in this country. Firearms license came in place in the 1920's and I think it became illegal around 1997 to possess guns. The UK is smaller than the US however removal of guns through legislation to a great degree has been achieved so it can be done.

In the UK you can defend yourself with reasonable force therefore if you had a gun to do this then you would be justified to act accordingly however there is much debate about what constitutes as reasonable force.

As mentioned the legislation in terms of gun control can be highlighted via the link below as to how successful it has been.

http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF05.htm

So based upon the above and the implementation of legislation it appears to be working for reported incidents for certain firearms. We all know however statistics can be re-worked. Could the US do something similiar well that would mean a culture and constitutional shift and a heck of a lot of work to achieve this.

I hope the above helps WD-40 to see (in summary) what has transpired over this side of the pond.

Regards,

Kren

[IJO sha-quan-jone]

As I said before guys Guns are not the problem its people if you could take all guns away (which is impossible) we would kill each other with knives.

[haasd0gg]

"Gun control" leaves unarmed victims.
Have a clean record and take mandatory safety courses and I support you having and carrying a firearm.
States with open carry laws have lower violent crime rates. The [poo] that would put their gun in your face and take your wallet or car give a second thought when their target is possibly, if not probably, armed as well.
As far as my home goes: don't be here uninvited. I will ask who you are and what you're doing after you couldn't possibly answer.

[IJO sha-quan-jone]

I joined the Marines so I can buy handguns before I am 21 haha......(has nothing to do with subject just thought I would rub it in)

[THEWULFMAN]

I joined the Marines so I can buy handguns before I am 21 haha......(has nothing to do with subject just thought I would rub it in)

You lucky/smart son of a [female dog].