2012 US Presidential Election

[Darth Crater]

Gary Johnson seems to be a libertarian candidate. Did they finally tire of Ron Paul?

[11_Panama_]

I like Ron Paul, shame people are ignorant. We all [female dog] for change but we vote the same parties in every election year. True change will come only when we make a radical change on election day.

[THEWULFMAN]

True change will come only when we make a radical change on election day.

Vote Lewis Black 2012.

[Mandalore]

Libertarianism has been discredited twice in the last century economically. All powerful states have been well organized, decentralized ones historically fall quickly and hard. Granted if a libertarian gets power I may start thinking of my own rise, but that's a pipe dream seeing as the libertarians will never win anything.

For this election I will be pigeon holed into voting Obama, even if I think he's a spineless bastard. I could never vote for a party who only picks bits and pieces of their religious foundation to use, it smacks of such a deep hypocrisy to me that it revolts my inner being. When Republicans start outlawing divorce and giving adulterers the death penalty I may be more intrigued. Unfortunately the democrats have mostly bought into socialism far more than I can personally see working, which is unfortunate.

[kjeopardy]

Libertarianism has been discredited twice in the last century economically. All powerful states have been well organized, decentralized ones historically fall quickly and hard. Granted if a libertarian gets power I may start thinking of my own rise, but that's a pipe dream seeing as the libertarians will never win anything.

For this election I will be pigeon holed into voting Obama, even if I think he's a spineless bastard. I could never vote for a party who only picks bits and pieces of their religious foundation to use, it smacks of such a deep hypocrisy to me that it revolts my inner being. When Republicans start outlawing divorce and giving adulterers the death penalty I may be more intrigued. Unfortunately the democrats have mostly bought into socialism far more than I can personally see working, which is unfortunate.

The stuff you are asking the Republicans to do is unconstitutional: plain and simple.

[Mandalore]

And thus we stumble upon the crux of the problem, I am a hard core secularist. The republican party is to me a stain upon American politics for their religiosity in general, and particularly the "secular" stances they take upon some issues which we all know in truth is formed by that one religion. Their hypocrisy regarding the sanctity of marriage is almost laughable. The progenitor of Judaism Rebooted only spoke about divorce, not about homosexuality. Indeed Jesus never spoke on homosexuality at all that I can remember off the top of my head. Where as 50% of marriages in the United States end up in divorce, so there's really not any sanctity there. If there ever was to begin with.

[(=DK=)Samonuh]

Gary Johnson seems to be a libertarian candidate. Did they finally tire of Ron Paul?

Ron Paul hasn't run on the Libertarian ticket since 1988.

[kjeopardy]

Gary Johnson seems to be a libertarian candidate. Did they finally tire of Ron Paul?

Ron Paul hasn't run on the Libertarian ticket since 1988.

I was wondering where you've been...good to have you on this thread...

[WD-40]

Here are some excerpts from 'The Amateur' (aka Obama) book that Edward Klein wrote:

"When voters are asked in 2012, "Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago/" they can give only one possible answer:
"No!" There fore, the only way Obama can win a second term in the White House is by diverting attention from his incomptence and
'sliming' his Republican opponent.

"Over $15 Trillion (and almost 16) in debt", writes Joe Hagan in New York Magazine, "more than 8 percent unemployment, yawning
structural problems, a severely gridlocked government - - Obama is in a box, and there's only one way out of this box: the low
road."

Obama cannot run on his failed record and policies. His strategy will be to convince voters that 'he' isn't the problem--that his
Republican opponent is the issue, and that will be to frighten voters away from the 'scary' Republican alternative.

The self-righteous and hypocritical Obama himself once said in a speech when running for President in 2008: "If you don't have any
fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as
someone people should run from." Sound familiar? He's doing this very thing today against Romney.

******

Bill Clinton HATES Obama, and he wanted Hillary to run against Obama this year. She said no, although she got stomped on in 2008,
Obama was beatable by her with Bill's endorsement in 2012, but it would cast her in a bad light with Democrats. The ONLY reason Bill
Clinton is helping Obama now, is that Hillary refused to run, and he wants Hillary to run now in 2016. If Romney wins 2012,
there's a good chance she may be too old to have a chance to win by the time Romney finishes his 2nd term, provided he does well.

And Bill Clinton's health is failing, and he may not be around to help her beyond 4 years from now. She didn't want to replace
Biden this year, because there's a good chance Obama will lose. If she's Obama's running mate, and he loses, it's the kiss of
death for her political career.

Obama had 2 full years with 'both' houses of congress, yet didn't do a single thing to pass legislation that would have benefitted the U.S. Economy and create jobs, or help businesses...at lest nothing useful or wise. 600 billion dollars in useless wasted projects costing over $700,000 per job gained...is a waste, and a failure of policy.

The book goes deep inside the mind of Obama from many personal interviews with friends, co-workers and collegues of Obama, and gets deep into the 'why' Obama broke so many campaign promises to get elected, and the reasons he did the most [m'kay] up domestic and international policy gaffs of any President before him. Far too numerous for me to type out on this forum. I just don't have time. Get the book. It's worth it. It sells for $15 at Costco. And don't forget to catch the movie '2016' about Obama. It's showtimes and locations can be found online.

[FaiL.?]

Holy crap WD.