2012 US Presidential Election

[kjeopardy]

Here are some excerpts from 'The Amateur' (aka Obama) book that Edward Klein wrote:

"When voters are asked in 2012, "Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago/" they can give only one possible answer:
"No!" There fore, the only way Obama can win a second term in the White House is by diverting attention from his incomptence and
'sliming' his Republican opponent.

"Over $15 Trillion (and almost 16) in debt", writes Joe Hagan in New York Magazine, "more than 8 percent unemployment, yawning
structural problems, a severely gridlocked government - - Obama is in a box, and there's only one way out of this box: the low
road."

Obama cannot run on his failed record and policies. His strategy will be to convince voters that 'he' isn't the problem--that his
Republican opponent is the issue, and that will be to frighten voters away from the 'scary' Republican alternative.

The self-righteous and hypocritical Obama himself once said in a speech when running for President in 2008: "If you don't have any
fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as
someone people should run from." Sound familiar? He's doing this very thing today against Romney.

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Bill Clinton HATES Obama, and he wanted Hillary to run against Obama this year. She said no, although she got stomped on in 2008,
Obama was beatable by her with Bill's endorsement in 2012, but it would cast her in a bad light with Democrats. The ONLY reason Bill
Clinton is helping Obama now, is that Hillary refused to run, and he wants Hillary to run now in 2016. If Romney wins 2012,
there's a good chance she may be too old to have a chance to win by the time Romney finishes his 2nd term, provided he does well.

And Bill Clinton's health is failing, and he may not be around to help her beyond 4 years from now. She didn't want to replace
Biden this year, because there's a good chance Obama will lose. If she's Obama's running mate, and he loses, it's the kiss of
death for her political career.

Obama had 2 full years with 'both' houses of congress, yet didn't do a single thing to pass legislation that would have benefitted the U.S. Economy and create jobs, or help businesses...at lest nothing useful or wise. 600 billion dollars in useless wasted projecfts costing over $700,000 per job gained...is a waste.

The book goes deep inside the mind of Obama from many personal interviews with friends, co-workers and collegues of Obama, and gets deep into the 'why' Obama broke so many campaign promises to get elected, and the reasons he did the most [m'kay] up domestic and international policy gaffs of any President before him. Far too numerous for me to type out on this forum. I just don't have time. Get the book. It's worth it. It sells for $15 at Costco. Abd don't forget to catch the movie '2016' about Obama. It's showtimes and locations can be found online.

Right on! Obama supporters claim that he has good intentions, but the Republicans simply block them in order to ruin his presidency and foil him from earning public admiration.

He had the support of Congress for 2 years, and the only major thing he did was create a costly and ineffective healthcare bill....and run up trillions of dollars of debt to fix a still broken economy.

People who support Obama have a warped view of reality, shaped by the seemingly outrageous Republican party. Romeny is not like the rest of them: he is a moderate, I mean, a miniature Obamacare was passed under his adminstriation...he's not that conservative!!!

Don't give your vote to Obama simply because the other option is voting for a Republican, think about the candidate! After considering Romney's policies, and the effectiveness of Obama's over the past 4 years, and still conclude with Obama, then 2 things should happen. 1) Vote for Obama, 2) see a shrink

[Darth Crater]

I haven't seen any unusual degree of attack directed at Romney compared to previous campaigns. In any case, my opinions were not formed based on any of his hypothetical attack ads. They've mostly been shaped by what I see on the internet, which is why I'm glad I have a chance to discuss this here.

The thing with Hillary is simple. You don't give up the massive boost from incumbency in exchange for a candidate your incumbent beat last time. The only exception would be immense failure or scandal, which really isn't the case here. Hillary making a Primary bid could only have weakened their party. I don't see any reason why running as VP would kill her chances at President if she failed, but that's irrelevant. While I (being from Delaware) know as well as any the problems with Biden, the most important fact to the Democratic Party is that he worked last time.

I still have yet to see any evidence or arguments that the new healthcare policies are in any way bad or wrong. Could someone provide this, since you seem to be taking it as given here, or tell me which parts of which bill you object to so I can look up arguments myself?

My problem with Romney as a "moderate" is that he still has to espouse the Republican talking points if he wants a chance at getting elected. And the Republican party is rapidly turning into fringe cultists in the areas of policy I actually care about (look at Akin for a recent example). Still, I have two+ months to continue to look into things - I'll see if I can borrow that book somewhere.

[kjeopardy]

Get the book...It holds the answers to life's greatest mysteries.

However, dont believe everything you read either.

And who cares if Romney has to go along with the extreme conservatives? He's not gonna practice their beliefs while he's in office.

[Stranger]

Perhaps you will read it later, it is very interesting.

Oh alright. I've slept for a few hours now.

This is very interesting material. Glen Beck has been developing material to show all the ties that Soros has through the nation and world along with his goals..

Glen Beck has been developing material to show all the ties that Soros has through the nation and world along with his goals..

Glen Beck has been developing material

Glen Beck

And that's where I stop reading.

And that is where I would stop too, but then i realized and posted, the first paragraph was written by someone else.

[Darth Crater]

... 34% of "self-identified conservative Republicans" believe Obama is a Muslim. The extremes aren't the problem anymore, the problem is that the main body is becoming extreme. And he will have to cater to them for the first term, at least, because he'll be aiming for a second.

EDIT: Stranger, he was calling into question Glenn Beck, who was clearly involved beyond that paragraph.

[kjeopardy]

... 34% of "self-identified conservative Republicans" believe Obama is a Muslim. The extremes aren't the problem anymore, the problem is that the main body is becoming extreme. And he will have to cater to them for the first term, at least, because he'll be aiming for a second.

and...

I mean, I don't think he's a Muslim, but he's certainly sympathetic to their views.

[Outrider]

I still have yet to see any evidence or arguments that the new healthcare policies are in any way bad or wrong. Could someone provide this, since you seem to be taking it as given here, or tell me which parts of which bill you object to so I can look up arguments myself?

I think this list of pros and cons will do: http://useconomy.about.com/od/healthcar ... a-Care.htm

It seems pretty legitimate in terms of factual accuracy.

[Darth Crater]

Thanks. So...

-Everyone has the ability to get health insurance.
-Not getting disqualified for pre-existing conditions (as I mentioned I have a friend who benefits from this).
-I'm able to be covered by my parents' health insurance for the next five years if necessary.
-People who already have insurance shouldn't see anything change, though there may be disturbances in prices or a need to switch plans.
-Tax increases and penalties associated with it only apply to the rich or incompetent (respectively), and create a net income for the government.

As far as I can tell the downsides are perfectly reasonable for an act with this much benefit.

[haasd0gg]

A big downside is that doctors will be earning less. I don't think I need to explain the consequences that go along with it.

[Darth Crater]

Which change will cause that to happen? It doesn't obviously follow from anything I've seen so far, and it's not listed among the downsides on that website.