Who Will Win?

[WD-40]

Back in 1991, you all may recall (or read about) the Bush (41) vs Clinton spoiler 'Ross Perot'. Had Ross Perot stayed out of the race, Bush would have beaten Clinton. I think Perot took something like 18% of the popular vote. Who knows if Clinton would have run again 4 years later, or if we'd have had someone completely different. Today, the race is so tight, a 'spoiler' wouldn't have to take much to change the outcome of the election. Question is, for each so-called spoiler candidate, who would affect Obama or affect Romney in a bad way, and perhaps shift the whole dynamics. The media sure does not discuss them much at all, so name recognition isn't there. At least I haven't seen anything on the mainstream shows and websites.

[kjeopardy]

Back in 1991, you all may recall (or read about) the Bush (41) vs Clinton spoiler 'Ross Perot'. Had Ross Perot stayed out of the race, Bush would have beaten Clinton. I think Perot took something like 18% of the popular vote. Who knows if Clinton would have run again 4 years later, or if we'd have had someone completely different. Today, the race is so tight, a 'spoiler' wouldn't have to take much to change the outcome of the election. Question is, for each so-called spoiler candidate, who would affect Obama or affect Romney in a bad way, and perhaps shift the whole dynamics. The media sure does not discuss them much at all, so name recognition isn't there. At least I haven't seen anything on the mainstream shows and websites.

Exactly.

It was the same in 2000; if Ralph Nader hadn't run, then Gore would have easily won Florida and the election.

(He really did, but it was close enough for the Governor to steal the election for his older brother)

[WD-40]

Back in 1991, you all may recall (or read about) the Bush (41) vs Clinton spoiler 'Ross Perot'. Had Ross Perot stayed out of the race, Bush would have beaten Clinton. I think Perot took something like 18% of the popular vote. Who knows if Clinton would have run again 4 years later, or if we'd have had someone completely different. Today, the race is so tight, a 'spoiler' wouldn't have to take much to change the outcome of the election. Question is, for each so-called spoiler candidate, who would affect Obama or affect Romney in a bad way, and perhaps shift the whole dynamics. The media sure does not discuss them much at all, so name recognition isn't there. At least I haven't seen anything on the mainstream shows and websites.

Exactly.

It was the same in 2000; if Ralph Nader hadn't run, then Gore would have easily won Florida and the election.

(He really did, but it was close enough for the Governor to steal the election for his older brother)

Ummm...No. That's wrong. Nader perhaps though. It's the retards in that one county that shouldn't have voted in the first place because they were too stupid to use voting machines. At least today with digital electronic machines, they'd be hard pressed to make up another BS Chad story.

[kjeopardy]

Back in 1991, you all may recall (or read about) the Bush (41) vs Clinton spoiler 'Ross Perot'. Had Ross Perot stayed out of the race, Bush would have beaten Clinton. I think Perot took something like 18% of the popular vote. Who knows if Clinton would have run again 4 years later, or if we'd have had someone completely different. Today, the race is so tight, a 'spoiler' wouldn't have to take much to change the outcome of the election. Question is, for each so-called spoiler candidate, who would affect Obama or affect Romney in a bad way, and perhaps shift the whole dynamics. The media sure does not discuss them much at all, so name recognition isn't there. At least I haven't seen anything on the mainstream shows and websites.

Exactly.

It was the same in 2000; if Ralph Nader hadn't run, then Gore would have easily won Florida and the election.

(He really did, but it was close enough for the Governor to steal the election for his older brother)

Ummm...No. That's wrong. Nader perhaps though. It's the retards in that one county that shouldn't have voted in the first place because they were too stupid to use voting machines. At least today with digital electronic machines, they'd be hard pressed to make up another BS Chad story.

That's also true. What I'm saying is: if Nader didnt run, the whole voting machine thing wouldn't even have been an issue. He took votes in FL that otherwise would have gone to Gore. Remember, Bush officially won FL by 537 votes; not exactly a comfortable margin.

[[m'kay]]

Back in 1991, you all may recall (or read about) the Bush (41) vs Clinton spoiler 'Ross Perot'. Had Ross Perot stayed out of the race, Bush would have beaten Clinton. I think Perot took something like 18% of the popular vote. Who knows if Clinton would have run again 4 years later, or if we'd have had someone completely different. Today, the race is so tight, a 'spoiler' wouldn't have to take much to change the outcome of the election. Question is, for each so-called spoiler candidate, who would affect Obama or affect Romney in a bad way, and perhaps shift the whole dynamics. The media sure does not discuss them much at all, so name recognition isn't there. At least I haven't seen anything on the mainstream shows and websites.

So what you're saying is, even with a popular base, a third party still didn't do anything meaningful other than affect which of the two main parties won. The end result is still the same - one of the two main parties win. The only difference is the degree to which the third parties er, and that difference ranges from negligible to game-changing - and even then, they only act as a game-changer within the current party dynamics.

[kjeopardy]

Back in 1991, you all may recall (or read about) the Bush (41) vs Clinton spoiler 'Ross Perot'. Had Ross Perot stayed out of the race, Bush would have beaten Clinton. I think Perot took something like 18% of the popular vote. Who knows if Clinton would have run again 4 years later, or if we'd have had someone completely different. Today, the race is so tight, a 'spoiler' wouldn't have to take much to change the outcome of the election. Question is, for each so-called spoiler candidate, who would affect Obama or affect Romney in a bad way, and perhaps shift the whole dynamics. The media sure does not discuss them much at all, so name recognition isn't there. At least I haven't seen anything on the mainstream shows and websites.

So what you're saying is, even with a popular base, a third party still didn't do anything meaningful other than affect which of the two main parties won. The end result is still the same - one of the two main parties win. The only difference is the degree to which the third parties er, and that difference ranges from negligible to game-changing - and even then, they only act as a game-changer within the current party dynamics.

I don't think WD's point was to show that a third party is as significant as the Dems or Reps, only that a 3rd party can be significant.

[[m'kay]]

A fair point, but they're still only important in the tertiary sense at best, which is all I was trying to say.

[Outrider]

Because there are only two sides that ever win, Samonuh. In actuality, the chances of any party that isn't Republican or Democrat winning is likely less than 1%, and don't bring up any instances where they've almost won because they're clear statistical outliers. And they still lost. Don't get all uppity, everyone knows there's more than two sides, it's just that everyone else already realizes that they're the only two that er.

Yes, but it's that exact attitude that prevents third parties from growing and standing a chance. If you have a defeatist attitude about it, there's not going to be any change. However, if you get the message out and stay persistent, your odds of gaining support are far better. Gary Johnson is at 4% in the national polls. He needs a few more supporters to get in the Presidential debates. If that should happen, I genuinely believe support for him will skyrocket, almost like a Ross Perot or Jesse Ventura incident. And for the record, the Libertarian Party is the fastest growing in the United States.

This thread is about who will win. Even if a handful of us here do end up supporting a third party candidate and have an enthusiastic attitude about it, the idea that the race for the White House is only between the better-funded Republicans and Democrats is so deeply ingrained in the minds of most Americans, especially by now when we are about a month away from voting, it just seems that only one of the two main parties will likely win as usual.

[haasd0gg]

Back in 1991, you all may recall (or read about) the Bush (41) vs Clinton spoiler 'Ross Perot'. Had Ross Perot stayed out of the race, Bush would have beaten Clinton. I think Perot took something like 18% of the popular vote. Who knows if Clinton would have run again 4 years later, or if we'd have had someone completely different. Today, the race is so tight, a 'spoiler' wouldn't have to take much to change the outcome of the election. Question is, for each so-called spoiler candidate, who would affect Obama or affect Romney in a bad way, and perhaps shift the whole dynamics. The media sure does not discuss them much at all, so name recognition isn't there. At least I haven't seen anything on the mainstream shows and websites.

Truth. And what sucks is that back then I was an idealistic teen who thought I would would make a difference by casting my vote for Perot. It was the first presidential election I voted in and if I could go back in time and tell teen haasd0gg a thing or two, I would.

[(=DK=)Samonuh]

http://newmexico.watchdog.org/16261/gary-johnson-at-6-in-national-poll-campaign-files-lawsuit-for-not-getting-in-the-presidential-debates/

Very relevant article that just came out yesterday.

Anyways, I saw someone mentioning Florida in 2000. I'd just like to point out that in the recount Gore won Florida, but the Supreme Court stated that since he only recounted the 4 counties that were having problems and not all of the state, the recount was null and void.



Watch. If you don't, then don't bother responding to me. Bush stole the election. It's amazing how many people seem to be okay with this.