Benghazi "Scandal"

[Darth Crater]

Sure. Had to look a couple pages back to find your post, since I wasn't addressing you previously.

For "Obamacare" in particular, I had a friend who was previously unable to get insurance due to a misdiagnosis as a child. I didn't want to bring this up, though, because it's just a personal anecdote and those are a poor method of deciding on overarching policy.

When looking at the overall party platforms, the Democrats are the ones who don't appear outright insane. The Republican platform is a mash-up of Christian fundamentalism, naive fiscal libertarianism, and aggressive neoconservative foreign policy. Libertarians are voting for people who oppose birth control. Candidates are simultaneously trying to cut taxes and expand the military. The Republican party appoints members to Science committees who claim known scientific facts are "lies from the pit of hell". They're still funding Todd Akin after that "legitimate rape" thing, simply because their alternative is to lose a chunk of their power.

So, when I look at the social issues (which I tend to value), Obama is the clear victor. I could be convinced to vote otherwise if Romney demonstrated that he had a sound plan for the economy. Pragmatically, that would probably be better for us, since social issues will tend to improve over time anyway and Romney isn't guaranteed to support the far right post-election. The problem there is that we're two and a half weeks before the election, and it's become clear that there is no sound plan for the economy, just a set of talking points calculated to sound good to people like you. Romney and Ryan haven't given us any details on how they plan to cut taxes by 20% for everyone, maintain tax rates on the rich (which by the way are already incredibly low) without eliminating loopholes like capital gains and charitable donations, expand a military that doesn't want expanding, keep every social program (like Medicare) that will get them votes, and somehow cut the deficit.

Sorry if that wasn't an answer to what you were asking, but I really don't have a major event in my life that's informing this. Certainly Obama hasn't done much that directly affects my life, either way.

[MATTHEW'S_DAD]

I only read the first paragraph and skipped the rhetoric. I guess everyone has a sick friend....

I'll have to post my personal story of why I'm voting Romney tomorrow. I'm on my phone at the moment and really need my laptop to type much. Sorry about that. Kinda crappy of me to pose a question and to not interject in a timely manner.

[Darth Crater]

Sure, if you want to completely ignore the fact I specifically said I wasn't making a decision based on that, go ahead.

[Hobo]

BTW: Chart of gas prices in 2005 USD




And Obama Talking about what gas prices were so low when he came into office:

yet as you can see gas was about the same price if not cheaper throughout Bush's term. I am not defending Bush all I am saying is that Obama's answer is bogus.

Well, according to your graph, it actually favors Obama. The highest peak in your graph was in 2008. Obama was sworn into office January 20th, 2009. So we can successfully blame this on Bush.

So why did gas prices plummet in 2009? It was the start of the recession and deflation at work. (Bush left us a dump to clean up)

Americans thought their money was coming back to them as a return on investment from housing and investment vehicles designed around mortgages. When they realized that said money didn't exist, the total money supply dropped.


As you can see from this graph, oil prices are climbing back up. This is due to not only unrest in the Middle East, but things such as the stimulus package, and quantitative easing 2 injecting money into the economy. When you do this, prices rise because producers know that there is more money overall.

Another example of his evasiveness comes from his speech at the DNC in 2008:


I know this is kinda irrelevant bu the irony is very amusing.  

What point are you trying to make here? I'm having a hard time following this logic.

Lastly, We are talking about Barack Obama who repeatedly campaigns on the fact that Gov. Romney has no plan with infantile remarks such as "Romnesia":
Skip to 1:35

This is just idiotic we need a president who will talk about policy not just amuse crowds with witty remarks.

Once again I'm not saying Romney is the ideal choice, all I'm saying is we have given Obama a chance and he has not make good on the promises he made last time around, therefore we have no reason to believe this time will be any different. We need change, hence we should vote for Romney the same way we voted for Obama.

Best,
Kjeopardy

There's nothing wrong with being light-hearted, and stating that just because Obama cracked a joke at Romney once or twice doesn't make him someone who does just that. Along with what Crater said, Romney has yet to reveal his ingenious tax plan to the public. I'm betting this is because he knows no one will like it. 

And did you really expect Obama to turn around a country around in 4 years right after one of the worst recessions in American history? He's made some progress, but we've still got a ways to go. 

MD

Some of you need to get a career and a mortgage and go experience life.  Until then, you're not going to "get it".  Keep believing all the crap you see on tv and read on the internet.  You go ahead and vote what makes you feel cool and maybe one day your secret will be safe when you guys grow up and have to pay some bills.

I'm still pretty young, and I indeed don't know the full story of what paying a mortgage or being an "adult" is like, so I can't argue there. I have assisted my Dad in working through a financial crisis, so that might be worth something. 

Hobo, it's not my responsibility to pay for your friends skin cancer.  That's just as simple as it gets.  We've had our share of huge medical bills and you know what?  Nobody helped us, we cut back on spending and worked through it.  I didn't get any help and I didn't WANT any help, I took care of it my damn self.  So since no one else seems to have any real life experiences to sway their vote for Obama, I guess it just a trendy thing to do.  Those of us trying to make sure the lights come on tomorrow will vote for Romney.  The rest of you I guess can just keep hoping that the lights will indeed come on.

There's doer's and there's talkers....ask yourself, what am I?

Interesting philosophy, self-sufficiency is indeed a good value to stand by. But it is okay to help others as well when in they truly are in need. 

And something ironic about this,  if you look at Romney's past, he received all sorts of support for education and resources! His dad was a governor and president of the American Motors Corporation, for goodness sakes! The fact that he believes he is an entirely self-made man isn't good for a president. He doesn't know what it's like to juggle bills, figure out how to pay rent, or feel unemployed. Mitt was able to sell stock while in college for 60K a year. In 1970. Yeah, he was successful, and made a lot of money. But he was entitled to make it in a way that not everyone gets to. He had safety nets and an education to fall back on, and a hell of a lot more inherited money.

This kind of deviousness, this attack of success, is very different than what we've seen in our country's history. We've always encouraged young people: Take a shot, go for it, take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business.

This really annoys me. He acts like everyone has all this money to go start a business. Worse than this, he's so delusional he thinks that middle-class parents are going to give those thousands of dollars to their children and let them risk all of it? No, Mitt, I can't borrow money. Why? Because my parents would be in debt if I did and I can't take risks like that. And life isn't solely about starting a business. Maybe there actually are some people that wish to live comfortably as opposed to lavishly.

[kjeopardy]

BTW: Chart of gas prices in 2005 USD




And Obama Talking about what gas prices were so low when he came into office:

yet as you can see gas was about the same price if not cheaper throughout Bush's term. I am not defending Bush all I am saying is that Obama's answer is bogus.

Well, according to your graph, it actually favors Obama. The highest peak in your graph was in 2008. Obama was sworn into office January 20th, 2009. So we can successfully blame this on Bush.

So why did gas prices plummet in 2009? It was the start of the recession and deflation at work. (Bush left us a dump to clean up)

Americans thought their money was coming back to them as a return on investment from housing and investment vehicles designed around mortgages. When they realized that said money didn't exist, the total money supply dropped.


As you can see from this graph, oil prices are climbing back up. This is due to not only unrest in the Middle East, but things such as the stimulus package, and quantitative easing 2 injecting money into the economy. When you do this, prices rise because producers know that there is more money overall.

Another example of his evasiveness comes from his speech at the DNC in 2008:


I know this is kinda irrelevant bu the irony is very amusing.  

What point are you trying to make here? I'm having a hard time following this logic.

Lastly, We are talking about Barack Obama who repeatedly campaigns on the fact that Gov. Romney has no plan with infantile remarks such as "Romnesia":
Skip to 1:35

This is just idiotic we need a president who will talk about policy not just amuse crowds with witty remarks.

Once again I'm not saying Romney is the ideal choice, all I'm saying is we have given Obama a chance and he has not make good on the promises he made last time around, therefore we have no reason to believe this time will be any different. We need change, hence we should vote for Romney the same way we voted for Obama.

Best,
Kjeopardy

There's nothing wrong with being light-hearted, and stating that just because Obama cracked a joke at Romney once or twice doesn't make him someone who does just that. Along with what Crater said, Romney has yet to reveal his ingenious tax plan to the public. I'm betting this is because he knows no one will like it. 

And did you really expect Obama to turn around a country around in 4 years right after one of the worst recessions in American history? He's made some progress, but we've still got a ways to go. 

MD

Some of you need to get a career and a mortgage and go experience life.  Until then, you're not going to "get it".  Keep believing all the crap you see on tv and read on the internet.  You go ahead and vote what makes you feel cool and maybe one day your secret will be safe when you guys grow up and have to pay some bills.

I'm still pretty young, and I indeed don't know the full story of what paying a mortgage or being an "adult" is like, so I can't argue there. I have assisted my Dad in working through a financial crisis, so that might be worth something. 

Hobo, it's not my responsibility to pay for your friends skin cancer.  That's just as simple as it gets.  We've had our share of huge medical bills and you know what?  Nobody helped us, we cut back on spending and worked through it.  I didn't get any help and I didn't WANT any help, I took care of it my damn self.  So since no one else seems to have any real life experiences to sway their vote for Obama, I guess it just a trendy thing to do.  Those of us trying to make sure the lights come on tomorrow will vote for Romney.  The rest of you I guess can just keep hoping that the lights will indeed come on.

There's doer's and there's talkers....ask yourself, what am I?

Interesting philosophy, self-sufficiency is indeed a good value to stand by. But it is okay to help others as well when in they truly are in need. 

And something ironic about this,  if you look at Romney's past, he received all sorts of support for education and resources! His dad was a governor and president of the American Motors Corporation, for goodness sakes! The fact that he believes he is an entirely self-made man isn't good for a president. He doesn't know what it's like to juggle bills, figure out how to pay rent, or feel unemployed. Mitt was able to sell stock while in college for 60K a year. In 1970. Yeah, he was successful, and made a lot of money. But he was entitled to make it in a way that not everyone gets to. He had safety nets and an education to fall back on, and a hell of a lot more inherited money.

This kind of deviousness, this attack of success, is very different than what we've seen in our country's history. We've always encouraged young people: Take a shot, go for it, take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business.

This really annoys me. He acts like everyone has all this money to go start a business. Worse than this, he's so delusional he thinks that middle-class parents are going to give those thousands of dollars to their children and let them risk all of it? No, Mitt, I can't borrow money. Why? Because my parents would be in debt if I did and I can't take risks like that. And life isn't solely about starting a business. Maybe there actually are some people that wish to live comfortably as opposed to lavishly.

My point about gas price is to say that gas was never $5 under Bush but yet some people are paying that much if not more. Yes, they went down because the economy crashed, but the increased unrest in the middle east has sent them even higher, we need to develop alternatives since fossil fuels will only be around so long.

Gas prices California Oct. 2012:



For some reason you keep wantting to relate this back to Bush. Bush was terrible let's get that out of the way. However, Obama has had four years and look at the results. We have no reason to believe another term will turn out any better.

My prediction:

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=NmQ


This should be another tread however, there comes a time when Obama has to stop blaming Bush--IT"S NOT GETTING US ANYWHERE!

We need to focus on making do with the situation we have, not look back at all the mistakes and blame them.

MD,

I see your point however we need to care for people who can't afford treatment, and going to the ER costs us more so we need a solution, just not Obamacare.

Again we see Obama using cheap shots again and not talking a bout a plan for a second term, rather he just engages in nonsense. Such as this hilarious ad about Big Bird.



Funny but just a waste, Big Bird is important but this is a ridiculous ad, and Sesame Street even asked them to remove it because it wanted to stay out of politics.

This goes back to his acceptance speech at the DNC last time around the irony and hypocrisy are rich, but the most telling thing is that he cannot even tell us what he'll do. Instead he wants us to believe were recovering when most of us think the direction of the country is on the wrong track by striking margins.



Hobo you keep bringing up Bush, here is Romney in his own words walking about how he is different from Bush:



Hopefully this can finally end the Bush discussion. Vote by candidate not party.

Overall the differences are great and we can agree a Romney presidency will not be an extension of Bush.

I am not thrilled with Romney but he is better than the alternative. Choose "the lesser of two evils" which in my opinion is Romney. At least he has ambition whereas Obama just wants to hold out a BS his way through the final months with witty remarks and evasive answers.

An excerpt from the Orlando-Sentinel, a Florida based newspaper, states very eloquently why they are endorsing Mitt Romney.

We have little confidence that Obama would be more successful managing the economy and the budget in the next four years. For that reason, though we endorsed him in 2008, we are recommending Romney in this race.

About Romney we say he doesn't give specifics. Ask yourself this question: What specifics has Obama given about his second term agenda?

This may come to mind:
1)Hire more teachers
2)Raise taxes
3)Invest in the middle east= give money to people that want to kill us.

That's daring, that's going to create jobs

Romney's agenda:
1)Reform the tax code
2)Become energy independent
3)Make foreign aide conditional on the basis they do not attack us and protect our embassies and consulates.

I know this is simplified but this post has to end somewhere. Ask the question has Obama given anymore specifics then Romney?

To me no. We all know politicians lie, which is why you have to look between the lines and at their history.



best,
kjeopardy

[Outrider]

Gas prices California Oct. 2012:

Not sure why you posted that since this sudden spike in gas prices in California has little to do with either the Bush or Obama administration. This is happening due to some local problems: http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/la-fi- ... ory?page=1

[Darth Crater]

First, could we not quote entire pages filled with images and nested quotes?

About Romney we say he doesn't give specifics. Ask yourself this question: What specifics has Obama given about his second term agenda?

This may come to mind:
1)Hire more teachers
2)Raise taxes
3)Invest in the middle east= give money to people that want to kill us.

That's daring, that's going to create jobs

Romney's agenda:
1)Reform the tax code
2)Become energy independent
3)Make foreign aide conditional on the basis they do not attack us and protect our embassies and consulates.

I know this is simplified but this post has to end somewhere. Ask the question has Obama given anymore specifics then Romney?

See, even amid the absurd connotations you posted up there, you still gave Obama a concrete plan (income increase from taxes, matching increased spending on education and foreign aid). Even you can't make Romney's plan sound plausible - you just say "reform" as though that's going to suddenly cause the entire plan to make sense.

Aside from that, as said previously, if they were exactly the same on economics I would vote for the party that isn't living in the 1800's on social issues.

EDIT: also, "hire more teachers" by definition creates jobs, in a much less sarcastic sense than you intended...

[[m'kay]]

seems to me that romney's platform is more or less revolving around hope and change without any real specifics



hopefully I don't have to point out the correlation there



(i'm saying he's white republican obama)



(just like obama was black democrat president)



(just like every president is every goddamn president ever)



I'll start giving more of a [poo] about politics when I can actually honestly say that the election proceedings are more dignified than the average election for class president. As it is, it's all just attack ads saying "DON'T VOTE FOR THE OTHER GUY BECAUSE HE'S [m'kay] TERRIBLE, SO YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR ME BECAUSE I'M LESS TERRIBLE". I'd say we're just picking the lesser of two evils, but really it's just a different flavor of the same [poo] we've been eating for the past couple of decades. Have fun with your useless arguments arguing for/against useless candidates that support a useless system.


and for [m'kay]'s sake stop quoting the ridiculous train of images, we all [m'kay] get it and you're making 10 posts a page seem like a hundred

[Duel of Fates]

You've come a long way Narg.

[MATTHEW'S_DAD]

BTW: Chart of gas prices in 2005 USD




And Obama Talking about what gas prices were so low when he came into office:

yet as you can see gas was about the same price if not cheaper throughout Bush's term. I am not defending Bush all I am saying is that Obama's answer is bogus.

Well, according to your graph, it actually favors Obama. The highest peak in your graph was in 2008. Obama was sworn into office January 20th, 2009. So we can successfully blame this on Bush.

So why did gas prices plummet in 2009? It was the start of the recession and deflation at work. (Bush left us a dump to clean up)

Americans thought their money was coming back to them as a return on investment from housing and investment vehicles designed around mortgages. When they realized that said money didn't exist, the total money supply dropped.


As you can see from this graph, oil prices are climbing back up. This is due to not only unrest in the Middle East, but things such as the stimulus package, and quantitative easing 2 injecting money into the economy. When you do this, prices rise because producers know that there is more money overall.

Another example of his evasiveness comes from his speech at the DNC in 2008:


I know this is kinda irrelevant bu the irony is very amusing.  

What point are you trying to make here? I'm having a hard time following this logic.

Lastly, We are talking about Barack Obama who repeatedly campaigns on the fact that Gov. Romney has no plan with infantile remarks such as "Romnesia":
Skip to 1:35

This is just idiotic we need a president who will talk about policy not just amuse crowds with witty remarks.

Once again I'm not saying Romney is the ideal choice, all I'm saying is we have given Obama a chance and he has not make good on the promises he made last time around, therefore we have no reason to believe this time will be any different. We need change, hence we should vote for Romney the same way we voted for Obama.

Best,
Kjeopardy

There's nothing wrong with being light-hearted, and stating that just because Obama cracked a joke at Romney once or twice doesn't make him someone who does just that. Along with what Crater said, Romney has yet to reveal his ingenious tax plan to the public. I'm betting this is because he knows no one will like it. 

And did you really expect Obama to turn around a country around in 4 years right after one of the worst recessions in American history? He's made some progress, but we've still got a ways to go. 

MD

Some of you need to get a career and a mortgage and go experience life.  Until then, you're not going to "get it".  Keep believing all the crap you see on tv and read on the internet.  You go ahead and vote what makes you feel cool and maybe one day your secret will be safe when you guys grow up and have to pay some bills.

I'm still pretty young, and I indeed don't know the full story of what paying a mortgage or being an "adult" is like, so I can't argue there. I have assisted my Dad in working through a financial crisis, so that might be worth something. 

Hobo, it's not my responsibility to pay for your friends skin cancer.  That's just as simple as it gets.  We've had our share of huge medical bills and you know what?  Nobody helped us, we cut back on spending and worked through it.  I didn't get any help and I didn't WANT any help, I took care of it my damn self.  So since no one else seems to have any real life experiences to sway their vote for Obama, I guess it just a trendy thing to do.  Those of us trying to make sure the lights come on tomorrow will vote for Romney.  The rest of you I guess can just keep hoping that the lights will indeed come on.

There's doer's and there's talkers....ask yourself, what am I?

Interesting philosophy, self-sufficiency is indeed a good value to stand by. But it is okay to help others as well when in they truly are in need. 

And something ironic about this,  if you look at Romney's past, he received all sorts of support for education and resources! His dad was a governor and president of the American Motors Corporation, for goodness sakes! The fact that he believes he is an entirely self-made man isn't good for a president. He doesn't know what it's like to juggle bills, figure out how to pay rent, or feel unemployed. Mitt was able to sell stock while in college for 60K a year. In 1970. Yeah, he was successful, and made a lot of money. But he was entitled to make it in a way that not everyone gets to. He had safety nets and an education to fall back on, and a hell of a lot more inherited money.

This kind of deviousness, this attack of success, is very different than what we've seen in our country's history. We've always encouraged young people: Take a shot, go for it, take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business.

This really annoys me. He acts like everyone has all this money to go start a business. Worse than this, he's so delusional he thinks that middle-class parents are going to give those thousands of dollars to their children and let them risk all of it? No, Mitt, I can't borrow money. Why? Because my parents would be in debt if I did and I can't take risks like that. And life isn't solely about starting a business. Maybe there actually are some people that wish to live comfortably as opposed to lavishly.

My point about gas price is to say that gas was never $5 under Bush but yet some people are paying that much if not more. Yes, they went down because the economy crashed, but the increased unrest in the middle east has sent them even higher, we need to develop alternatives since fossil fuels will only be around so long.

Gas prices California Oct. 2012:



For some reason you keep wantting to relate this back to Bush. Bush was terrible let's get that out of the way. However, Obama has had four years and look at the results. We have no reason to believe another term will turn out any better.

My prediction:

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=NmQ


This should be another tread however, there comes a time when Obama has to stop blaming Bush--IT"S NOT GETTING US ANYWHERE!

We need to focus on making do with the situation we have, not look back at all the mistakes and blame them.

MD,

I see your point however we need to care for people who can't afford treatment, and going to the ER costs us more so we need a solution, just not Obamacare.

Again we see Obama using cheap shots again and not talking a bout a plan for a second term, rather he just engages in nonsense. Such as this hilarious ad about Big Bird.



Funny but just a waste, Big Bird is important but this is a ridiculous ad, and Sesame Street even asked them to remove it because it wanted to stay out of politics.

This goes back to his acceptance speech at the DNC last time around the irony and hypocrisy are rich, but the most telling thing is that he cannot even tell us what he'll do. Instead he wants us to believe were recovering when most of us think the direction of the country is on the wrong track by striking margins.



Hobo you keep bringing up Bush, here is Romney in his own words walking about how he is different from Bush:



Hopefully this can finally end the Bush discussion. Vote by candidate not party.

Overall the differences are great and we can agree a Romney presidency will not be an extension of Bush.

I am not thrilled with Romney but he is better than the alternative. Choose "the lesser of two evils" which in my opinion is Romney. At least he has ambition whereas Obama just wants to hold out a BS his way through the final months with witty remarks and evasive answers.

An excerpt from the Orlando-Sentinel, a Florida based newspaper, states very eloquently why they are endorsing Mitt Romney.

We have little confidence that Obama would be more successful managing the economy and the budget in the next four years. For that reason, though we endorsed him in 2008, we are recommending Romney in this race.

About Romney we say he doesn't give specifics. Ask yourself this question: What specifics has Obama given about his second term agenda?

This may come to mind:
1)Hire more teachers
2)Raise taxes
3)Invest in the middle east= give money to people that want to kill us.

That's daring, that's going to create jobs

Romney's agenda:
1)Reform the tax code
2)Become energy independent
3)Make foreign aide conditional on the basis they do not attack us and protect our embassies and consulates.

I know this is simplified but this post has to end somewhere. Ask the question has Obama given anymore specifics then Romney?

To me no. We all know politicians lie, which is why you have to look between the lines and at their history.



best,
kjeopardy

[m'kay] you narg.