Decision 2012

[(Swgo)Ted]

Who you guys want for President between Obama or Romney. Explain why and see how many people say obama or romney 2012!!! Go romney

[(=DK=)Samonuh]

Gary Johnson 2012.

Already submitted my absentee ballot. Yea.

[kjeopardy]

By now, I think you are all aware that I support Mitt Romney. I do so for the following reasons:

1) Has an agenda
2) Wants to help our allies
3) Obama is just interested in basking in the glory of the presidency, not in helping the middle class, he has done almost nothing in 2 years to help the middle class. Whereas Romney at least has a plan, a 5-point plan. :



This is why I support Romney. With Obama you know what you get--MEDIOCRITY if you are extremely lucky-- we need someone who at least is interested in talking about what needs to done, not what he has done, which isn't much.

BTW: (SWGO)Ted this thread is

Sincerely,
kjeopardy

[(=DK=)Samonuh]

^You actually believe all those empty promises Romney says? Obama and he are identical on almost every issue. Don't kid yourself...

[CacophonousFlatulence]

That chart is one the of the dumbest flunkin' things I have ever seen. Kids running for class president don't make nearly as many vague, grandiose promises.

[Dad]

^You actually believe all that crap Romney says? Obama and he are identical on almost every issue. Don't kid yourself...

More and more of us are seeing this. I just hope the two party system goes the way of the do do in my lifetime.

[WD-40]

^You actually believe all that crap Romney says? Obama and he are identical on almost every issue. Don't kid yourself...

More and more of us are seeing this. I just hope the two party system goes the way of the do do in my lifetime.

I would agree, we do need multiple parties, ideas, candidates. .. I honestly wish we could also go to a popular vote vs Electoral College (which is outdated, especially given todays world of modern technology and access to information)

Anyway, I thought this was an interesting piece describing it:


History of the Electoral College

In 1787, two things forever changed the face of American politics: First, a group of national leaders drafted the U.S. Constitution, and second, they decided the average citizen wasn't erudite enough to elect a president without the bridge of a system known as the Electoral College.

The Electoral College was created by the framers of the U.S. Constitution as a compromise for the presidential election process. At the time, some politicians believed a purely popular election was too reckless and would give too much voting power to highly populated areas in which people were familiar with a presidential candidate. Others objected to the possibility of letting Congress select the president, as some suggested. The answer? An Electoral College system that allowed voters to vote for electors, who would then cast their votes for candidates, a system described in Article II, section 1 of the Constitution [source: Weingast].

The concept worked as expected until the 1800 election, when presidential hopefuls Aaron Burr and Thomas Jefferson each received the same amount of electoral votes. By then, political parties had become powerful influencers. Leaders of each party handpicked electors who, naturally, voted for their electing party's candidates. The tie was broken by the House of Representatives, but resulted in the Constitution's 12th Amendment, which spelled out the electoral voting process in more detail [source: Cornell University Law School].

Today, each state has a number of electors equal to the number of its U.S. senators (two in each state) plus the number of its U.S. representatives, which varies according to the state's population. For example, Kansas has two senators and four U.S. representatives for a total of six electoral votes.

Overall, the Electoral College includes 538 electors, 535 for the total number of congressional members, and three who represent Washington, D.C., as allowed by the 23rd Amendment. In the 2012 presidential election, highly populated California had the most sway with 55 electoral votes; other less populated states, such as Montana, had as few as three electoral votes [source: CNN].

On the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December, the electors meet in their respective state capitals to officially cast their votes for president and vice president. These votes are then sealed and sent to the president of the Senate, who on Jan. 6 opens and reads the votes before both houses of Congress. The winner is sworn into office at noon Jan. 20 [source: U.S. National Archives and Records Administration].
http://people.howstuffworks.com/electoral-college1.htm

Here's a second site, which I think is better at describing its history:

http://uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/INFORMATION/electcollege_history.php

[(=DK=)Samonuh]

Kids running for class president don't make nearly as many vague, grandiose promises.

Haha. I'm going to have to use that quote in the future, if you don't mind.

[FaiL.?]

^You actually believe all that crap Romney says? Obama and he are identical on almost every issue. Don't kid yourself...

THANK YOU. I listened to something that president Bill Clinton said on a televised speech. He said: "You people are complaining about the President not being able to do all of these things yet? I can tell you, no president can do all those things: Fix a deficit, end a war, make millions of new jobs in 4 Years. It's no where near enough time. So give him a chance and met him do it in 2 terms."
Food for thought.

[Duel of Fates]

THANK YOU. I listened to something that president Bill Clinton said on a televised speech. He said: "You people are complaining about the President not being able to do all of these things yet? I can tell you, no president can do all those things: Fix a deficit, end a war, make millions of new jobs in 4 Years. It's no where near enough time. So give him a chance and met him do it in 2 terms."
Food for thought.

Well hell. Let's pull a Palpatine and let him serve more than two terms. Four? Oh wait. We tried that once and it was a disaster. After FDR, we put term limits in place for a reason.