Why I'm voting for Romney

[MATTHEW'S_DAD]

I had asked for people's personal stories as to what is driving their vote in the Benghazi thread. All I got was "i have a sick friend" stories, so here is my personal story as to why I’m voting for Mitt Romney….

I’m 39 and am a manager for an hvac distributor where my branch has logged anywhere from 3.6 million to 5+ million in sales every year for the last 7 or eight years. I hire people and I fire people and deal with hundreds of small business owners of which I’ve known some for over 15 years. I employ 7 people that range anywhere from college grads to college students to guys who have never held a job. When Barack took office I had 9 people and yearly sales were 5 million. So now I’m down to 7 people and a yearly sales of 3.8 million. I’ve been told that if we don’t get back to the 5 million dollar mark that we will lose another person and that person will probably be me. It’s the owners’ company and I completely respect that decision if it comes to be next year this time.

My customers are scared, my employees are scared and to be perfectly honest, I believe our ownership is scared. Barack and his out of control spending and forced healthcare scares business. Barack’s blundering of foreign policy and complete inattentiveness to what is really happening in the world scares business. When businesses are scared they reduce their spending and begin to cut corners. Things that need to be done are put off until next year.

We currently need to up fit our restrooms, replace the tires on our two forklifts (which is expensive as hell, wtf), repair a leaky warehouse roof, fence in our back lot, update our showroom and many other things that we are “putting off” until next year. If Barack is reelected a couple of those things will get done and the rest will continue to be kicked down the road. If Romney is elected, it is very likely all these thing will get done due to the comfort level our ownership will have in the economy. Right or wrong, that’s just how it is, it’s their money and they are the risk takers since they are the business owners.

You have to realize that this is one small business out of millions across the country. At the moment we have real “shovel ready” business for a plumbing company, a roofing company, the forklift maintenance company and several carpenters. All be told we have $10000-20000 work that we COULD feed back into the economy. If Barack is reelected we will probably just do the forklift tires and maybe fence in our backlot ($3000-4000).

Guys, this is now it works. Money trickles down and if you think you can make it trickle up then you’re a damn fool. The free sh!t has got to go and the people who say we need to go up on taxes need to go. Reduced spending on entitlements is the only correct answer we have left for ourselves. If we continue to tax more and more, the government will continue to spend more and more. Romney understands this as a business man. He is a person who has had to run a forecast for the next fiscal year and has had to turn a profit. Romney is the one who has had to jockey his way through the government redtape to turn a profit. Barack has never done these things. I am someone who has had to run a forecast and maneuver through government redtape and who is responsible for turning a profit. I am someone who has to budget and plan for things that may or may not happen in the next 12-18 months. Barack is not. I trust someone who is capable like I am, someone who understands how it works. I trust Romney to do what needs to be done to get us out of the red and back in the black. Barack is incapable.

The people in our economy are like the sand in an hour glass. The workers/producers are the sand at the top and the non producers who sit at home and wait for a check are at the bottom. Human nature will generally follow the path of least resistance and more and more producers every year realize “hey, why bust my ass, I’ll just hop on the government teat, go home and wait for my handout.” So as the sand pours from the top down to the bottom guess what??? Yeah, eventually you have a pile of stagnant sand just sitting there and NOBODY is producing. It’s unsustainable. The government entitlement programs are on a path to collapse and we can either sit back and watch the show or we can turn the hourglass over and make people go back to work and to begin providing for themselves once again.

Sorry for anyone who has a sick friend who is suffering and can't afford whatever treatment they may need. Unfortunately there will be many more "sick friends" out there that will still not be able to get treatment years from now if we don't change course. The government is inefficient at everything it does and healthcare is no exception. Doctors will become fewer and fewer as the years go by, Quality of care will be reduced and sick friends will become more and more.

[Son]

oh where to start....



My business has suffered the same effects of Obama's policies. Business is down, insurance costs are up, and now we run 1 crew instead of 3.

Romney gets my vote.

[LOCKJAWVENOM]

Damn, well stated, Dad.
Obama never really had my vote since 2008 in the first place, because I knew he would focus on ers to increase his popularity and not help the economy. I mean, "Yay! I killed Osama Bin Laden! Now let's focus on healthcare!" He never REALLY touched the economy, and he didn't fix as much as he could have. Well, Obama is done. Why? Because you only get ONE chance to save a country. He blew it. It's time for ROMNEY to step up. And although I like Obama's decision to invest in new energy sources, the ECONOMY is the thing that needs fixing right now. And Romney has a plan! Obama doesn't. So even if Romney's plan DOESN'T work, he still would be less of an idiot than Obama. So, Romney 2012. Time to fix old 'Merica. -Cheers, LOCKJAWVENOM

[Duel of Fates]

Please stop talking LOCK. You are making my brain hurt.

[Darth Crater]

I had asked for people's personal stories as to what is driving their vote in the Benghazi thread. All I got was "i have a sick friend" stories, so here is my personal story as to why I’m voting for Mitt Romney….

No, you got my reasons, which were entirely unrelated, and which you completely ignored in favor of a statement that I explicitly said was not a good reason to make decisions. My post is here - I'd like you to at least read it, and I will defend the truth of every point I made.

Also, why do you want the government, which fundamentally does not function like a business, to eliminate the deficit while also recovering from a recession? Accumulating debt is perfectly acceptable for a government, in order to stimulate the economy and repay it later. What you're advocating is Austerity, which is what got Greece into its current mess.

He never REALLY touched the economy, and he didn't fix as much as he could have. :

Partially true. Note that economists say the stimulus wasn't very effective because it was too small.

And Romney has a plan! Obama doesn't.

You cannot possibly be serious.

[ProfessorDreadNaught]

Also, why do you want the government, which fundamentally does not function like a business, to eliminate the deficit while also recovering from a recession? Accumulating debt is perfectly acceptable for a government, in order to stimulate the economy and repay it later. What you're advocating is Austerity, which is what got Greece into its current mess.

He never REALLY touched the economy, and he didn't fix as much as he could have. :

Partially true. Note that economists say the stimulus wasn't very effective because it was too small.

Crater your understanding of the Greek debt crisis is so obtuse as to be funny. Funny because your use of them as an example completely backfires. Greece ran a TERRIBLE economy with MASSIVE borrowing and HUGE entitlement programs. Their debt to GDP was (and is) so backward it makes the underwater mortgages in our housing market look healthy. They built bridges and subways and hosted an Olympic Games all on credit with no way to pay it back.

Forget it, I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain.

Try this. If your economy is based on spending (like ours currently is) and the people who have the money say "we won't spend until you cut entitlements" you should probably cut entitlements.

Obama can't do that and get elected. Romney can.

[Dad]

All good points M's D but....

Two things :

1. This has been going on since Reagan. Legislation proposed by corporate lobbyists, passed by both "parties", has been deliberately designed to eliminate the middle class. Small companies, making less than $200,000, have been generally left alone as they are no real "threat" to mega-corporations. Businesses the size that you, Son and I work for have been slowly, but surely, eroded through over taxing, higher overhead costs and flawed foreign made materials. These companies employ whats left of the middle class. They cannot off shore jobs in order to pay slave wages. They do not have the revenue to hide in foreign bank accounts. While all this has gone on, our wonderful government has awarded these mega-corporations huge bailouts with our money. They didn't create jobs. They didn't grant loans. They gave what they aren't sitting on to CEOs in the form of immense bonuses and golden parachutes, all while recording record profits. Why haven't we noticed? Because war, gay rights, abortion, equal pay, 47%, 1%, 99%, occupy wall street, terrorism, religion in schools, finger pointing, government teat, gun rights, drone strikes, 3rd grade level name calling, divide and conquer, racism, one and done, the party of "No", tax and spend, deficit, Romnesia, muslim president, Israel, films mocking Islam, deregulation, more regulation, Obamacare, Romneycare, tax code, class warfare, and on and on and on.....

2. What IS Romney's plan? Isn't he saying the same thing as Pelosi (I think that's who said it) about Obamacare? I believe the quote was "We have to pass it to find out what's in it". Isn't Romney saying "You have to elect me to see what my plan is"? His record of saving companies by loading them with debt, stealing pensions, and off-shoring jobs doesn't say much for how that "saves" a damn thing. Not good enough for me.

Obama has treated his entire political career as a popularity contest. He has bungled and botched just about everything he has ever touched. Not good enough for me.



Now who, on their first read, picked up on the little hint I put in the middle of the last sentence in point #1?

[kjeopardy]

@ Darth Crater

In regard to healthcare: yes, it is true that the system we have is broken and definitely needs to be changed. But Obama's plan is just representative of everything else he believes in: interfering with capitalism. Now, I agree that capitalism and healthcare should probably remain separate, but Obama's plan is simply a poorly-disguised wealth redistribution plan...

Do you know how people are going to be able to get free or inexpensive healthcare? By taxing these alleged "extravagant plans" of businesses and individuals. I can say firsthand: I'm not an adult (I am 16), but for as long as I've been alive my parents have had extremely good healthcare. This year the price of our healthcare plan went up significantly. Why? Because our insurance company is anticipating the implementation of ObamaCare (obviously they are going to lose money).

Crater, don't cite ObamaCare as a reason TO vote for Obama lol. You might want to vote for him for other reasons, but this is definitely a reason not to vote for him.

You people want to rant on about how Romney doesn't care about 47% of this country? Well, Obama doesn't care about the 220 year old values that have always governed this nation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge3aGJfDSg4

[Darth Crater]

Dread - obviously being in constant debt to the point that Greece is isn't a good thing. However, as far as I know, austerity is the thing that's fundamentally crippled their efforts to recover. Fix the economy, then the deficit - don't try to do both while cutting taxes and expanding the military.

Pi - at what point did I even mention healthcare? Is everyone outright ignoring everything I write aside from that one line in a different thread? Fine. I'll talk about it. Do you have any idea just how right-wing the program is? I'll give you a hint - if the same thing was called Romneycare, you'd want to vote for it. And what's with the Red Scare tactics, anyway? If we're going back to things people said 14 years ago, that gives me free rein to get into Paul Ryan and Ayn Rand. You will not enjoy that.

[kjeopardy]

Dread - obviously being in constant debt to the point that Greece is isn't a good thing. However, as far as I know, austerity is the thing that's fundamentally crippled their efforts to recover. Fix the economy, then the deficit - don't try to do both while cutting taxes and expanding the military.

Pi - at what point did I even mention healthcare? Is everyone outright ignoring everything I write aside from that one line in a different thread? Fine. I'll talk about it. Do you have any idea just how right-wing the program is? I'll give you a hint - if the same thing was called Romneycare, you'd want to vote for it. And what's with the Red Scare tactics, anyway? If we're going back to things people said 14 years ago, that gives me free rein to get into Paul Ryan and Ayn Rand. You will not enjoy that.

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Your support of ObamaCare was implied I felt, but I could be wrong .