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Re: PC versus Mac

Postby [m'kay] » Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:33 am

3.14pi wrote:
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That is simply untrue: you can customize a mac, it's just harder to screw up. To mess up a mac, you have to try; to mess up a PC, you just have to use it :mrgreen:. I used a PC for many years, and got a Mac in November 2011. They are simply superior machines.


So basically what you're saying is that after years of use you weren't capable of operating a simple machine, and then had to go to something that can barely run this star wars game just because that was the only thing you couldn't [m'kay] up.
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Re: PC versus Mac

Postby THEWULFMAN » Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:37 am

3.14pi wrote:That is simply untrue: you can customize a mac, it's just harder to screw up. To mess up a mac, you have to try; to mess up a PC, you just have to use it :mrgreen:. I used a PC for many years, and got a Mac in November 2011. They are simply superior machines.


So your counter-argument is "They are simply superior machines." I'm disappointed. I expect a detailed, if flawed, account of why Macs are better, instead we got more insults and no Mac related facts. Just opinions.

To me it looks like you weren't smart enough to handle the PCs and went to the Macs (which anyone can use). And no, just because you're really good with math doesn't mean you're good with computers.

I've used PCs for years, and did try out a Macbook. It sucked, and I'm happily using my Windows 7 laptop. I've plenty customized it in the past 15 months, and it's not messed up at all. Marth has had a dozen PCs and they're all highly customized and well taken care of. You are not speaking in facts. So what, every time you used Windows you screwed it up? That's hardly argument for Macs being better.

EDIT: Narg beat me, he's right though.
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Re: PC versus Mac

Postby kjeopardy » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:29 am

THEWULFMAN wrote:
3.14pi wrote:That is simply untrue: you can customize a mac, it's just harder to screw up. To mess up a mac, you have to try; to mess up a PC, you just have to use it :mrgreen:. I used a PC for many years, and got a Mac in November 2011. They are simply superior machines.


So your counter-argument is "They are simply superior machines." I'm disappointed. I expect a detailed, if flawed, account of why Macs are better, instead we got more insults and no Mac related facts. Just opinions.

To me it looks like you weren't smart enough to handle the PCs and went to the Macs (which anyone can use). And no, just because you're really good with math doesn't mean you're good with computers.

I've used PCs for years, and did try out a Macbook. It sucked, and I'm happily using my Windows 7 laptop. I've plenty customized it in the past 15 months, and it's not messed up at all. Marth has had a dozen PCs and they're all highly customized and well taken care of. You are not speaking in facts. So what, every time you used Windows you screwed it up? That's hardly argument for Macs being better.

EDIT: Narg beat me, he's right though.


I never said my math stuff makes me good with computers. I'll ask a simpler question: what can a PC do that a Mac can't? A Mac can process video and photo editing much better than a PC can. You can argue this until the day that pi doesn't equal 3.1415926535..., but I'm still right :mrgreen:.
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Re: PC versus Mac

Postby [m'kay] » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:33 am

3.14pi wrote:
THEWULFMAN wrote:
3.14pi wrote:That is simply untrue: you can customize a mac, it's just harder to screw up. To mess up a mac, you have to try; to mess up a PC, you just have to use it :mrgreen:. I used a PC for many years, and got a Mac in November 2011. They are simply superior machines.


So your counter-argument is "They are simply superior machines." I'm disappointed. I expect a detailed, if flawed, account of why Macs are better, instead we got more insults and no Mac related facts. Just opinions.

To me it looks like you weren't smart enough to handle the PCs and went to the Macs (which anyone can use). And no, just because you're really good with math doesn't mean you're good with computers.

I've used PCs for years, and did try out a Macbook. It sucked, and I'm happily using my Windows 7 laptop. I've plenty customized it in the past 15 months, and it's not messed up at all. Marth has had a dozen PCs and they're all highly customized and well taken care of. You are not speaking in facts. So what, every time you used Windows you screwed it up? That's hardly argument for Macs being better.

EDIT: Narg beat me, he's right though.


I never said my math stuff makes me good with computers. I'll ask a simpler question: what can a PC do that a Mac can't? A Mac can process video and photo editing much better than a PC can. You can argue this until the day that pi doesn't equal 3.1415926535..., but I'm still right :mrgreen:.


No, you're not. Not even close, actually. This conversation is over - you are stupid and have no clue what you're talking about, and probably have no clue what a processor even is.
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Re: PC versus Mac

Postby Darth Crater » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:43 am

3.14pi wrote:I'll ask a simpler question: what can a PC do that a Mac can't? A Mac can process video and photo editing much better than a PC can.

... The following things are relevant for video editing. High RAM, good CPU, and efficient software. All of these should be easily available on a PC. Not sure how the software compares but you can always solve that by dual-booting. The requirements for photo editing are low enough that you only have to worry about software overhead - otherwise you can do it on anything.

What can I do on a Windows PC (not just "PC" - that includes all desktop Macs as well) but not a Mac? Play Crysis on maximum graphics. Upgrade nearly any piece individually whenever I want. Not much else, really - Macs are just about as versatile as PC's given similar hardware. They're just not magically better somehow.
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Re: PC versus Mac

Postby kjeopardy » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:50 am

Darth Crater wrote:
3.14pi wrote:I'll ask a simpler question: what can a PC do that a Mac can't? A Mac can process video and photo editing much better than a PC can.

... The following things are relevant for video editing. High RAM, good CPU, and efficient software. All of these should be easily available on a PC. Not sure how the software compares but you can always solve that by dual-booting. The requirements for photo editing are low enough that you only have to worry about software overhead - otherwise you can do it on anything.

What can I do on a Windows PC (not just "PC" - that includes all desktop Macs as well) but not a Mac? Play Crysis on maximum graphics. Upgrade nearly any piece individually whenever I want. Not much else, really - Macs are just about as versatile as PC's given similar hardware. They're just not magically better somehow.


Finally, something intelligent...not from M'kay or Wulfman---they just assert that PCs = Macs because I'm stupid lol. I'll tell you a funny story though about a trip of mine to the Apple store. I went there because I had a keyboard issue, and they told me that "a genius would assist me soon." I asked her "how many freakin geniuses are there in this store." They acutally answered "21" before realizing my point :lol:.
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Re: PC versus Mac

Postby (=DK=)Samonuh » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:22 am

Whenever I think of Mac fanboys and their simplistic perceptions of how computers work, I always imagine one saying, "I went and bought me this computer created by some kind of fruit company. Anyways, they said I didn't have to worry about viruses no more, and I said 'That's good...one less thing.'"

For those of you who don't understand the reference:

...انا أتكلم اللغة العربية. هل هي سيئة؟ لا
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Re: PC versus Mac

Postby THEWULFMAN » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:45 am

3.14pi wrote:Finally, something intelligent...


Oh so what Marth said wasn't intelligent? You don't even argue with those points brought up.

3.14pi wrote:not from M'kay or Wulfman---they just assert that PCs = Macs because I'm stupid lol.


Um. Did you mean this?

3.14pi wrote:not from M'kay or Wulfman---they just assert that PCs > Macs because I'm stupid lol.


And no. We're not saying that PCs are better than Macs because you're stupid. We're saying that Macs are not magically better because you screw up your PCs.

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Re: PC versus Mac

Postby Marth8880 » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:58 am

3.14pi wrote:A Mac can process video and photo editing much better than a PC can. You can argue this until the day that pi doesn't equal 3.1415926535..., but I'm still right :mrgreen:.

You sure? Then why is it that movie studios use Windows (and Linux) platforms to edit and render their films? Don't you dare attempt to argue that major movie studios use Final Cut Pro to edit/render/etc.; most studios use their own in-house editing/rendering pipelines, like the massive battle simulators that were created for the (Peter Jackson) Lord of the Rings films.

Oh, and I'm still waiting for a qualifying counter-argument against this: :P
Marth8880 wrote:Why is the Macintosh operating system better than that of Windows? (By the way, I'd just like to point out that a "PC" is any consumer-brand computer, regardless of its operating system.)


When one states something is "better" than the other, he or she is arguing in a very specific way.

Example A: There is no such thing as a GUI that is better than another; the quality of graphic interfaces is solely a mat.ter of opinion.
Example B: Processor A is better than processor B; processor A has a larger L3 cache and operating clock frequency than those of processor B. Processor A outperformed processor B on three out of four hardware/software benchmarking platforms, quod erat demonstrandum.

A user who claims "Macs are better because they're faster" presents an extremely broad and essentially unsound argument. Sure, some Mac platforms may be somewhat faster than some Windows platforms, but the keyword is some. When a user presents this argument, they imply that every Mac platform in existence is better than every Windows platform in existence; due to the fact that virtually all of the world's servers and supercomputers are run on a Windows (sometimes Linux) platform, there is no logical way that this argument can be valid. My server rack workhorse running on four Intel Xeon 3.0 GHz cores is not weaker than some hipster's MacBook.


I have two key reasons why I will never use a Mac: the advertising and the lack of need for one.

Advertising: I absolutely despise the way Apple advertises its products; they lie about their competition and label many of their products' features as "new" and "innovative" when most of them have really existed in other products for decades.
Lack of need: I don't need a Mac; there would literally be no point in me owning one; every game I own now is played on my Windows computer. There is nothing a Mac can do that my computer cannot.


Regarding viruses: Macs can, indeed, get viruses, and just as easily as Windows platforms can, in fact. Most Macs are relatively unprotected; they use the Mac equivalent of McAfee Anti-Virus software for protection, i.e., stinky garbage that just sits there and takes up space. The reasoning behind this is malicious software isn't often developed for Macs because Windows makes up a majority of the market share, so why should malware-developers waste time and resources attacking such a small population? That would be like if 49 of the 50 United States of America turned, declared war on and disconnected itself from Rhode Island, or if the European Union on Liechtenstein (which is actually one of the richest countries in the world, but that's a different scenario); the impact would be so microscopic to be noticed. (Though, to be fair, a state, being a state, is pretty large, so that is also a somewhat different scenario, but it's all I could think of that's somewhat funny.)


Rundown: Neither Mac nor Windows is better than the other. If you like doing whatever the heck you want with a computer without borders, invest in a platform that runs Windows; if you're an avid Facebook user who does not a thing more with your time but use your credit card (and use Instagram to hipsterize your petty photos), declare bankruptcy and pick up a Mac platform.


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Oh, and Macs do their own great share of problems and bugs. (See MacFixIt)


To be completely honest, Mac and Windows are virtually the same. If you purchase a iMac and a Windows desktop that have the exact same tech specs -- which is completely possible since all Macs use Foxconn (garbage/made in Taiwan(?) (forgot) via slave labor) hardware, the same hardware OEM companies (Dell, HP, AlienWare, etc.) use -- they will benchmark virtually the same results in any software suite. Why? They're both operating systems. The only real differences between the two are their GUIs, compatible software suites, and end-interface kernel. That being said, Macs are equal to Windows computers in almost every way. The software/video game developers are the ones who choose whether their games and software should be ported to Mac or Windows.
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Re: PC versus Mac

Postby (SWGO)Minas_Thirith » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:34 am

A big necro, but i think it's relevant:

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