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[(SWGO)SirPepsi]

I'm not gonna bother arguing with you anymore. The military of Israel is not ruthless nor oppressive---it is defending the most precariously positioned country in the world. If it were so oppressive, it would be invading Gaza instead of agreeing to a ceasefire...

Clearly you don't know anything about the religion of Islam; I do!! I have read part of the Koran and done research on what it says. It does establish that women are inferior, and does say that those who do not accept Mohammed's being the prophet of Allah should be put death horribly. I'm not going to go into the graphic death that the Koran prescribes for much of the world. Granted---this mainly applies to polytheists, but Muslims view Christians as polytheists (for obvious reasons)...

How arrogant! "I shall not deign to speak with you." Really? Why? Because I've proposed valid points which tear holes in your theories? For your information, I have read part of the Koran myself, and yes, the doctrine is quite questionable, though remember, just like the Bible, the Koran was written by men, thought of my men, and edited throughout history by men. Because of this, the true feelings of men at the time come out in scripture today. That's why what is in the Koran does not define Islam. Just like what is in the Bible does not define Christianity. Religions adapt and evolve to become a part of the times, and the longer they are around, the more they form their own cultural "air," if you will, where they can flourish and grow without the hindrance of original scripture.

Have you read Nietzsche? I doubt it; he's quite...objectionable, but a genius nonetheless, but give him a read.

And, to address your perpetual insistence that Israel is a single, loving, untouchable-by-evil entity, read this and this. Remember, the government of Gaza is democratically elected.

Note, I in no way support Palestinian militants' violent attacks on Israel, and I merely wish to point out Israel's half of the equation.

[11_Panama_]

I remember reading somewhere that "Infidels" have an option of paying a "tax" if they are not Muslims. This "tax'" will keep them from being killed. The Muslim world cheerishes money as an acceptable trade for being a "Godless dirty swine"...go figuere.

[[m'kay]]

I remember reading somewhere that "Infidels" have an option of paying a "tax" if they are not Muslims. This "tax'" will keep them from being killed. The Muslim world cheerishes money as an acceptable trade for being a "Godless dirty swine"...go figuere.

I hear that people who want to run shops in the seedier parts of NYC have to pay a "tax" or else their shop gets busted up by a gang of thugs. [m'kay] Americans, yeah?

[kjeopardy]

I'm not gonna bother arguing with you anymore. The military of Israel is not ruthless nor oppressive---it is defending the most precariously positioned country in the world. If it were so oppressive, it would be invading Gaza instead of agreeing to a ceasefire...

Clearly you don't know anything about the religion of Islam; I do!! I have read part of the Koran and done research on what it says. It does establish that women are inferior, and does say that those who do not accept Mohammed's being the prophet of Allah should be put death horribly. I'm not going to go into the graphic death that the Koran prescribes for much of the world. Granted---this mainly applies to polytheists, but Muslims view Christians as polytheists (for obvious reasons)...

How arrogant! "I shall not deign to speak with you." Really? Why? Because I've proposed valid points which tear holes in your theories? For your information, I have read part of the Koran myself, and yes, the doctrine is quite questionable, though remember, just like the Bible, the Koran was written by men, thought of my men, and edited throughout history by men. Because of this, the true feelings of men at the time come out in scripture today. That's why what is in the Koran does not define Islam. Just like what is in the Bible does not define Christianity. Religions adapt and evolve to become a part of the times, and the longer they are around, the more they form their own cultural "air," if you will, where they can flourish and grow without the hindrance of original scripture.

Have you read Nietzsche? I doubt it; he's quite...objectionable, but a genius nonetheless, but give him a read.

And, to address your perpetual insistence that Israel is a single, loving, untouchable-by-evil entity, read this and this. Remember, the government of Gaza is democratically elected.

Note, I in no way support Palestinian militants' violent attacks on Israel, and I merely wish to point out Israel's half of the equation.

So far the only point you have made is that Israel has killed civilians. This does not constitute a humanitarian crisis or violation. It is impossible for Israel to allow Hamas to fire missiles at its citizens unabated. If some civilians die as a result of Israel's defending itself---that is a byproduct of war. Hamas is responsible for those deaths---not Israel.

In fact, the Israeli government drops leaflets and broadcasts programming urging civilians to avoid areas which will be the target of bombing runs.

You just buy what NPR and CNN believe---the Palestinians have a right to attack Israel, and Israel doesn't have the right to respond. It's ridiculous.

Remember what I said earlier: "What is a ceasfire? Israel ceases, Palestinians fire"??

How right I was...they agreed to a ceasefire yesterday only for Hamas to break it, and then re-agree to it.

You make the mistake of believing that the Arabs are normal, rational people who can be reasoned with. They aren't. The only way for Israel to survive is to respond with force---and they don't even do that nearly as much as they should!!! If Israel knew what was good for it, they would level the entire strip and relocate the population to other Arab nations---that would be acting in it's own interests, regardless of what the liberal press says about it.

You have unbelievable nerve and exhibit willful stupidity---in Israel, Arabs are treated as equal citizens and even allowed to hold public office. Do you think the same courtesy is extended to Jews in Arab nations? Definitely not.

[CommanderOtto]

Guys look...I apologize if you take my shots personally, whether upside the head or groin. I don't mean to insult you on a 'personal' level and do respect your opinions. I do not, however, want to be jacked around with a response when I know full well that you have the intelligence to have figured out its meaning from the beginning. Case in point Crater asking the Obvious. A play on 'words' when the meaning is clear, is very frustrating, and as you can see, pissed me off due to a waste of time. I reserve the right to be pissed as anyone else does. If I kicked you too hard in the nuts that the feeling in your head got hurt... Well...when the throbbing in your sensitive head dies down...get back to me with an answer. At least Otto did. Good man. You answered it, whether anyone likes it or not, is irrelevant...you gave an answer. I respect that! It shows conviction and strength.

no problem wd.. and thank you!

[[m'kay]]

You make the mistake of believing that the Arabs are normal, rational people who can be reasoned with.[/b]

GUYS GOD DAMN IT I NEVER SAID THAT ARABS WERE INFERIOR IN ANY WAY I JUST SAID THEY'RE USELESS TO OVERALL SOCIETY

WAIT [m'kay] NO I MEAN

UH

[m'kay] IT THEY ARE ALL LITERALLY INSANE AND IF YOU POINT OUT THAT MY WORDS ARE CONTRADICTORY THEN YOU ARE JUST A LIBERAL HUMPING DICKSUCK

[(SWGO)SirPepsi]

So far the only point you have made is that Israel has killed civilians. This does not constitute a humanitarian crisis or violation. It is impossible for Israel to allow Hamas to fire missiles at its citizens unabated. If some civilians die as a result of Israel's defending itself---that is a byproduct of war. Hamas is responsible for those deaths---not Israel.

In fact, the Israeli government drops leaflets and broadcasts programming urging civilians to avoid areas which will be the target of bombing runs.

You just buy what NPR and CNN believe---the Palestinians have a right to attack Israel, and Israel doesn't have the right to respond. It's ridiculous.

Remember what I said earlier: "What is a ceasfire? Israel ceases, Palestinians fire"??

How right I was...they agreed to a ceasefire yesterday only for Hamas to break it, and then re-agree to it.

You make the mistake of believing that the Arabs are normal, rational people who can be reasoned with. They aren't. The only way for Israel to survive is to respond with force---and they don't even do that nearly as much as they should!!! If Israel knew what was good for it, they would level the entire strip and relocate the population to other Arab nations---that would be acting in it's own interests, regardless of what the liberal press says about it.

You have unbelievable nerve and exhibit willful stupidity---in Israel, Arabs are treated as equal citizens and even allowed to hold public office. Do you think the same courtesy is extended to Jews in Arab nations? Definitely not.

Good God! The United Nations, after World War Two, seized Palestinian land and awarded it to Israel. There are people with deeds that prove they are the rightful owners of the lands they were forced from. Israel's occupation of Gaza is contradictory to everything we, the western world, stands for.

Your ignorance leads you to group all "Arabs" together in one group. Because are so blind by your undying support for Israel's war crimes, you don't see that the Palestinians have a right to that land! Americans support Israel for strategic interests in the Mid-East, because the Protestants here believe that the Jews are the chosen people, and our government gives Israel billions of dollars in aid every year.

The International Community is too afraid to step up to the US and confront them in regards to their support of Israel. I acknowledge that Israel is much more of a democratic society than any of the Mid-East nations, and treats its citizenry far better than most Mid-East Nations, but it does perpetrate atrocious acts against the Palestinians.

You can't expect an entire people to suddenly transition to democracy (Palestinians) and relinquish claims to their land when the fact is: generations and generations of oppression have seethed its way into the Palestinians, they hate Israel for what it has done to them.

You make the mistake of believing that the Arabs are normal, rational people who can be reasoned with. They aren't.

You blithering idiot! How dare you! Think before you speak you fool. Look into the history of Mid-East oppression - the leaders are corrupt and the people are brainwashed by those leaders and by the actions of the US. You should recognize that calling an entire race abnormal and irrational reflects on your understanding of diversity and plight.

Calling me "willfully stupid" is not reflective of your intelligence. I recognize you are intelligent, but you are also close-minded. Recognize both sides. I don't support Hamas' violence, but I also abhor Israeli cruelty.

[CommanderOtto]

3.14... dude, as I said, you are being too biased. Some of the things that you say are true but some of the things that Pepsi says is true.

anyway, I loved this video here, I thought it was hilarious lol.

[Mandalore]

Islam and Christianity are fundamentally pretty much the same [m'kay] religion. The only difference is that when secularism started to take ahold in those respective societies (13/14th century for Islam) and the 17/18th for Christianity they diverted down different paths. The Muslims adopted the policy of regarding the later parts of the Koran as more important than the early. And seeing as the Koran's policies scale in relation to the power of the Mohammadan faction scaling, it becomes more violent. It was designed to create an empire, and it created one of the top five in humanity's history. In the west, secularism was also coupled with peasant revolutions in major European countries. This has led to the touchy feeling Christianity that now exists today. A bunch of pussies who honestly have probably not even read either of the old testaments. And even when they do they still say that their genocidal deity is a loving father figure who even though ordering acts that would have made Hitler proud is still the most loving guy, like evur! The only true fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity is that Mohammad survived! I often wonder what would have happened had Jesus not had his little Jewish ass killed by what was still essentially a Roman proxy state. Then of course there's that happy alternative story where Jesus appears on the scene around 70 A.D. manages to say about three words before the Romans string him up and everyone who he ever talked to. Ah the good old days.

And someone earlier represented the tax on non-believers in Islam in the wrong light. That was so they could have religious freedom, if they didn't pay it they at least had to pay mouth service to Islam. It is honestly the greatest idea of mass conversion in the history of the world. All the faith in what was once the Christian heartland was within a century predominantly Muslim.

As for living in either society as proposed by, I think WD. Assuming that this happened later in my life in which I had the same ideological system we all know I would have already been arrested and executed within the first six months of that regime coming to power. And I would be perfectly content with that, rather than watch Humanity drag itself back down into the cesspit of world wide theocracy.

Oh and happy Thanksgiving! :D

[kjeopardy]

Islam and Christianity are fundamentally pretty much the same [m'kay] religion. The only difference is that when secularism started to take ahold in those respective societies (13/14th century for Islam) and the 17/18th for Christianity they diverted down different paths. The Muslims adopted the policy of regarding the later parts of the Koran as more important than the early. And seeing as the Koran's policies scale in relation to the power of the Mohammadan faction scaling, it becomes more violent. It was designed to create an empire, and it created one of the top five in humanity's history. In the west, secularism was also coupled with peasant revolutions in major European countries. This has led to the touchy feeling Christianity that now exists today. A bunch of pussies who honestly have probably not even read either of the old testaments. And even when they do they still say that their genocidal deity is a loving father figure who even though ordering acts that would have made Hitler proud is still the most loving guy, like evur! The only true fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity is that Mohammad survived! I often wonder what would have happened had Jesus not had his little Jewish ass killed by what was still essentially a Roman proxy state. Then of course there's that happy alternative story where Jesus appears on the scene around 70 A.D. manages to say about three words before the Romans string him up and everyone who he ever talked to. Ah the good old days.

And someone earlier represented the tax on non-believers in Islam in the wrong light. That was so they could have religious freedom, if they didn't pay it they at least had to pay mouth service to Islam. It is honestly the greatest idea of mass conversion in the history of the world. All the faith in what was once the Christian heartland was within a century predominantly Muslim.

As for living in either society as proposed by, I think WD. Assuming that this happened later in my life in which I had the same ideological system we all know I would have already been arrested and executed within the first six months of that regime coming to power. And I would be perfectly content with that, rather than watch Humanity drag itself back down into the cesspit of world wide theocracy.

Oh and happy Thanksgiving! :D

Finally, a semi-decent response...

While it is true that Muslims used to be more accepting of non-believers than were Christians, this was in a different world. The reason that Christianity and Islam have become so radically different societally is largely due to the advancement in communication---everyone is in contact with everyone else...In the middle of the 2nd millennium, the world was separated, and knowledge of other cultures was limited.