The God Damned Gun Control Thread

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

Bottom line is: Guns in the hands of resposible and law-abiding people hardly ever creates any serious issues, aside from self-defense and lack of proper training. On the flip side, guns in the hands of irresponsible and violent people, whether gangs or mentally unstable individuals ALWAYS creates serious issues to include fatalities. So...the question is, how do you take guns away from violent individuals without infringing on the rights of the law-abiding citizens? And HOW do you remove guns completely from the reach of violent individuals (any gun or rifle)?

Answer: You cant! Guns, like alcohol during prohibition, will always be available for a price. Outlaw whatever you want, if there's money or profit to be made, where there's a 'demand', there will always be a 'supply'. Get it?!? Simple Economics of Supply vs. Demand. (Kinda like the drug trade too). May not be legal, but then, who cares? The lawless wacks do not give a damn what Obama or you whiny anti-gun advocates think! Get over yourselves and join reality!

Well for starters WD, if by "statistics" 40% of the gun stores do not require a background check to get a gun.....
If you have gun stores supplying weapons to mentally unstable persons just for their own profit, preventing this would already be a way to reduce the flow of weapons getting into the wrong hands

Why does nobody understand that guns are just a means to a murderous end for these wackos? If they couldn't get a gun they would use a car, plane, fire, gas, poison, anything that ends with maximum casualties.
Its not the horse; its the cowboy. Its not the plane; its the pilot. Its not the car; its the driver. Its not the gun; its the person holding it.

I'll be honest haas, i'd rather have someone trying to kill me with a knife, baseball bat etc then someone pointing a gun at my face.
I can't outrun bullets, i can outrun someone with a knife, i have way better chances of surviving, or even disarming the person.
A gun is way diffrent, the only chance i have is not being in line of sight.....

In any case here goes:
In Europe we've lived our lives without guns there is no death sentence here, yet we have less crime, less deaths by crimes then the states.
The USA gun death is higher then all of Europe combined, and it's not getting better.
We've never needed guns to survive, we've not had to overtrow our goverment for becoming a dictatorship.
People using cars as examples is just plain stupid, most people need the transport to get to their jobs or schools, and no here i don't have access to the always late public transport, if i wanted to use it i'd need a car to get there in the first place.
I never used or needed to use a gun, it's not vital to human life, it's not a necesity besides the states all other first world countries have never needed them.
It's too late in any case, the guns are there, it's not going to change.

And @People being sad for what might happen
This is a star wars off-topic forum thread, opinions are given, diffrent views are given, nothing said here changes anything out there.
So stop acting like a kid who just got a toy taken away from him.

MT

[Duel of Fates]

In any case here goes:
In Europe we've lived our lives without guns there is no death sentence here, yet we have less crime, less deaths by crimes then the states.
The USA gun death is higher then all of Europe combined, and it's not getting better.
We've never needed guns to survive, we've not had to overtrow our goverment for becoming a dictatorship.

Please help me understand. Europe never needed guns to survive? Two World Wars, countless revolutions, civil wars, and a Holocaust? These did not come about without a gun or two being involved? I know there might be a language problem here, so really would like to hear more of what you have to say, but if you could clarify, that would be peachy.

[MATTHEW'S_DAD]

Well for starters WD, if by "statistics" 40% of the gun stores do not require a background check to get a gun.....
If you have gun stores supplying weapons to mentally unstable persons just for their own profit, preventing this would already be a way to reduce the flow of weapons getting into the wrong hands

It's amazing how wrong this statement is. It is complete, 100% proof that misinformation is just as powerful as facts.

100% of gun stores in the US require the following background check...
Anytime someone buys a gun from a federally licensed gun dealer, the dealer is required to run a check on the buyer by submitting the name to the federal database. That database consists of criminal records and mental health records as provided by federal and state courts and agencies.

Convicted felons, people convicted of violent domestic crimes, and those determined by the courts to be dangerously mentally ill are prohibited by federal law from buying firearms, Nichols said.
Per the same article from CNN in regards to the so called 40% loophole buys...
Forty percent of all firearms purchased in the United States are sold without background checks because the guns aren't purchased from a federally licensed firearms dealer, Nichols said.

Rather, those weapons are bought at gun shows, on street corners, over the Internet or from friends or neighbors, Nichols said.
Question about this "40%". If these sales are unrecorded, then how is it known? When I buy a gun from my Dad, how is it that it's added to this statistic? I'll give you a hint, it's fantasy.

EDIT - Oh and here's the article to be fair. http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/14/us/univer ... und-checks Also, regarding the internet sales not needing a permit. LOL, go try it. Trust me, you will need a permit.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

Please help me understand. Europe never needed guns to survive? Two World Wars, countless revolutions, civil wars, and a Holocaust? These did not come about without a gun or two being involved? I know there might be a language problem here, so really would like to hear more of what you have to say, but if you could clarify, that would be peachy.

By "we" i meant as civilians, it's rare to find anyone with a gun here other then cops.
I thought that was pretty clear considering the nature of the thread.

@MD

Point taken, so tell me, how would you reduce the death of so many people in the states by guns?

MT

[Son]

@MD

Point taken, so tell me, how would you reduce the death of so many people in the states by guns?

MT

It depends on what type of deaths by guns your talking about.

If it is accidental deaths, then educating people in proper handling would make a difference. In hunters safety classes, you learn how to properly handle firearms for carrying in the field, cleaning at home and walking through obstacles you might encounter while hunting with a loaded weapon.

If you are talking about crimes committed using a firearm, I believe stiffer penalties for crimes would help. I realize this will not affect your first time offenders. If there is a more severe penalty for committing a crime, perhaps the fear of a severe penalty will dissuade them from committing the crime in the first place. If they do commit a crime, with a more severe penalty, they will be less likely to be on the streets to commit additional crimes.

[MATTHEW'S_DAD]

Please help me understand. Europe never needed guns to survive? Two World Wars, countless revolutions, civil wars, and a Holocaust? These did not come about without a gun or two being involved? I know there might be a language problem here, so really would like to hear more of what you have to say, but if you could clarify, that would be peachy.

By "we" i meant as civilians, it's rare to find anyone with a gun here other then cops.
I thought that was pretty clear considering the nature of the thread.

@MD

Point taken, so tell me, how would you reduce the death of so many people in the states by guns?

MT

The first step is to reduce the government handouts. It sounds completely off the mark, but these handouts have destroyed the black family structure by creating a sense of entitlement and dependence. This creates a poor sense of self worth and the type of attitude that fosters the violence we see here everyday.

It's actually funny that we have made it as far into this thread and no one has said one word about the bulk of these firearms deaths and violence are contained within the African American population.

[CommanderOtto]

totally true

[Col. Hstar]

Mental instabilities to governments handouts to race...

Sounds like the only thing that can't be blamed for gun violence is guns

Totally rational

[[m'kay]]

People, we've finally done it. What is to come is the absolute worst possible situation, the absolute nadir of any discussion in this thread. With but a single sentence, Matthew's Dad has doomed us all to a fate unspeakable. Basically what i'm trying to say is

[CommanderOtto]

Mental instabilities to governments handouts to race...

Sounds like the only thing that can't be blamed for gun violence is guns

Totally rational

well yes, but MD is just saying that the african american community does have issues regarding crime. Just look at Bait Car and like 90% of people caught are african american.