The God Damned Gun Control Thread

[Bailey]

Also nobody is holding gun-makers responsible. I know that the corporations fear that hypothetical, but it's not at all a reality.

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Any nut job could stand on a corner, I'm talking about serious lawsuits where the gun companies are held responsible in recent years.
Not to mention there is stuff like this out there...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00485.html

[mrjamwin]

Bailey, they are trying to make gun manufactuars responsible also. I've seen the lawsuits attempted. We are a very litigious society and if there is a way for a lawyer to make a dime he will. Yes that is a cynical point of view but it's true.

[haasd0gg]

I wonder if the post used the same source for that article as their Palin/al-jazeera one...

[Col. Hstar]

Somewhere down the line, a generation will have to sacrifice for future generations.

Don't they have a right to the same education and health benifits everyone has?? If you can be so callous about their right to live a decent life then, somewhere down the line, a generation of gun enthusists will have to sacrifice their hobbies for future generation's safety.

You're willing to tell others "too bad you just have to live with worse living conditions so it can better society" but HEAVEN FORBID someone suggest you give up certian types of guns in order to better society

I believe it's you who doesn't really get it.

[MATTHEW'S_DAD]

A right to health coverage and education? Uhhh, no. That's not a right and does not need to be. As for my sacrifices, I've made plenty and am sure to make many more.

I'm on my phone so can't really type much more...

[Col. Hstar]

A right to health coverage and education? Uhhh, no. That's not a right and does not need to be. As for my sacrifices, I've made plenty and am sure to make many more.

I'm on my phone so can't really type much more...

On my phone too. Please clarify though in your next response.
When it comes to gun violence you blame people who are mentally unstable and people who don't have self worth due to government handouts.

To fix it you want the government to step in and give aid to the mentally unstable (Charge these people to get the help? Or give them free medical care?) Then you want to take away the aid it is giving to poor people because is time they make a sacrafice. (Creating more kids who will turn to gangs and crime because they don't want to be the only ones sacrificing)

This is supposed to lower violence!?? Hey at least they will still have the right to arm themselves easily.

[CommanderOtto]

I dont know about healthcare coverage.. but regarding education:
It's sad but It is not a right. The United States never had any laws stating that it is a right to have education and has not ratified the International Convention on the Rights of the Child or the International Covenant of Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights. Finally, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is... a declaration, not an international treaty, so the U.S is not obligated to give education.

sad but true




BTW... that just demonstrates how the U.N is worthless. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is not even international law.

[Col. Hstar]

I dont know about healthcare coverage.. but regarding education:
It's sad but It is not a right. The United States never had any laws stating that it is a right to have education and has not ratified the International Convention on the Rights of the Child or the International Covenant of Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights. Finally, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is... a declaration, not an international treaty, so the U.S is not obligated to give education.

sad but true

And isn't that the truly sad thing. When there is so much outrage over someones right to own a gun while basic education of children is a sacrifice a generation should have to suffer. Goes to show how screwed up this system is.

[WD-40]

I dont know about healthcare coverage.. but regarding education:
It's sad but It is not a right. The United States never had any laws stating that it is a right to have education and has not ratified the International Convention on the Rights of the Child or the International Covenant of Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights. Finally, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is... a declaration, not an international treaty, so the U.S is not obligated to give education.

sad but true

And isn't that the truly sad thing. When there is so much outrage over someones right to own a gun while basic education of children is a sacrifice a generation should have to suffer. Goes to show how screwed up this system is.

We are 'suffering' due to poor judgements and mismanagement by the President and Congress over the many years with the taxpayers money.

The 'Right to an Education' was not considered a problem by the Forefathers when the 'Constitution' was ratified. Therefore, it was not considered 'necessary' to include it in the Bill of Rights in order to protect the Country's citizens from a corrupt Government. Again, you guys just cannot 'see the forest thru the trees'.

You understand what the Constitution was created for...correct?

A 'Right to an Education' (like an 'Entitlement') puts the burden of funding squarely on the shoulders of taxpayers. Like an Entitlement, it does not need to be a 'Right'. Congress would need to pass it simply as a Law. Now 'paying' for it, and getting the individual states to 'enforce' it is another er, as there is no cash left to even pay for Entitlements. The Country's screwed up?!? Yeah, no [poo]! However to exercise ones 'Right to Bear Arms', the burden of purchase is on the gun owner. The government doesn't have to pay a damn thing.

Tell you what. You guys go call Obama and get all those trillions of dollars back that he pissed away with nothing to show for it. Then tell him to fix the Education System.

[Col. Hstar]

The 'Right to an Education' was not considered a problem by the Forefathers when the 'Constitution' was ratified. Therefore, it was not considered 'necessary' to include it in the Bill of Rights in order to protect the Country's citizens from a corrupt Government. Again, you guys just cannot 'see the forest thru the trees'.

You understand what the Constitution was created for...correct?

Tell you what. You guys go call Obama and get all those trillions of dollars back that he pissed away with nothing to show for it. Then tell him to fix the Education System.

Again with the founding fathers. Are those the same forefathers who allowed slavery to continue another 70+ years. While declaring that they wanted freedom from England. The same ones who denied women the rights men had, while saying there should be equal rights to all? It doesn't seem like they had the perfect system back then because gee education is a big problem now....

Oh wait except of course when it came to guns, they were dead on accurate about guns. They knew every person should have the right to be armed to the teeth. Except of course the slaves.