Fluoride In Water

[CommanderOtto]

although, I must add, Drai's video pointed out that fluoride water causes cancer and lowers IQ levels. I wonder if that's true? Maybe there's something Crater could shed some light on.

I'll look at this for you tomorrow. I doubt they're reputable studies about the dosages in tap water, but we'll see.

Alright, I wasted five minutes watching the video. It was as manipulative as I suspected it would be, and didn't directly provide the sources for anything. It also repeated the falsehood about the aluminum industry, which I debunked in the last thread. Still, I found the studies it was talking about.

For cancer, specifically osteosarcoma, there was indeed a study (Bassin, 2006) that suggested that fluoride caused an increased rate of incidence in males. However, the follow-up studies I can find which have taken place since then (including these three from 2011) seem to indicate that there is no correlation. The Australian government agrees. Note that even Bassin's study found the correlation in only one gender and explicitly pointed out that more research was needed before reaching a conclusion.

As for IQ - here's links to an article about it and the paper itself (click "PDF version" at the bottom for the full text). The study was done in areas of China and Iran with naturally high fluoride levels. "High" here isn't explicitly defined, but works out to anywhere between three and ten times the recommended concentration in the US (which is now 0.7 mg/L). Their "reference," or low-fluoride, groups had concentrations more similar to the US. While they didn't rule out factors such as other contaminants, this paper makes a strong case for a correlation between high levels of fluoride and lower IQ. This does not indicate that a connection exists at lower levels such as ours (see that video I posted about dosages).

I looked for the source of Drai's graph, but I haven't found it yet, sorry. Remember, though, that fluoridated toothpaste and general dental care reduce these rates also. Fluoridated water is most effective in areas where these are not available due to poverty or lack of infrastructure (which, sadly, still includes much of the US).

I believe this is where common sense comes in.

No. No, it really isn't. What you call "common sense" is not a substitute for actual research. It certainly is not superior to actual research. Believe me, I'm not dismissing this out of hand - my "common sense" is giving me the same warnings. I've seriously checked out everything you posted, because if and only if fluoride is actually poisoning us, I want to believe it is and take steps to stop it. Problem is, the evidence and trustworthy sources say it isn't.

Crater, your opinions are influenced by society heavily, and it simply shows that you cannot think for yourself and what you believe is right; I wouldn't take that as an insult, but rather, as a gift from one who is not bound by such limitations put in place.

You're making an awful lot of assumptions about me here, but that's not why I quoted this. I quoted this because this is where you display your true motivations, whether you think you did or not. You want to be special, to be elite, to be smarter than the sheep around you. This is a common desire, but a dangerous one. Don't favor the "alternative" hypothesis just because the "mainstream" rejects it. Don't forget that the "mainstream" has been looked at and accepted by a large number of people who are smarter than either of us.

ty crater, just read it. yep, the first article you posted in this thread also mentioned those briefly and said the same thing.

[Draigun]

Responses to Crater in blue.

although, I must add, Drai's video pointed out that fluoride water causes cancer and lowers IQ levels. I wonder if that's true? Maybe there's something Crater could shed some light on.

As for IQ - here's links to an article about it and the paper itself (click "PDF version" at the bottom for the full text). The study was done in areas of China and Iran with naturally high fluoride levels. "High" here isn't explicitly defined, but works out to anywhere between three and ten times the recommended concentration in the US (which is now 0.7 mg/L). Their "reference," or low-fluoride, groups had concentrations more similar to the US. While they didn't rule out factors such as other contaminants, this paper makes a strong case for a correlation between high levels of fluoride and lower IQ. This does not indicate that a connection exists at lower levels such as ours (see that video I posted about dosages).
According to the graph located here, the amount a state receives fluoridated water does vary. To see the graph, click the link "Most current data available".

Crater, your opinions are influenced by society heavily, and it simply shows that you cannot think for yourself and what you believe is right; I wouldn't take that as an insult, but rather, as a gift from one who is not bound by such limitations put in place.

You're making an awful lot of assumptions about me here, but that's not why I quoted this. I quoted this because this is where you display your true motivations, whether you think you did or not. You want to be special, to be elite, to be smarter than the sheep around you. This is a common desire, but a dangerous one. Don't favor the "alternative" hypothesis just because the "mainstream" rejects it. Don't forget that the "mainstream" has been looked at and accepted by a large number of people who are smarter than either of us.
That's a bit of a far fetched assumption as well. We both assumed what we think... so I suppose that won't be moving anything forward. In any case, I've always been prudent when it comes to choosing what to believe in. For one, when a person believes in something different than the "mainstream", it's not unique because ultimately, it was the mainstream that shaped the desire to go the alternate route; it is in the human psyche to want to be seen and viewed as... unique, different.

Most of the links you gave were credible, and I did in fact watch that video you posted. I'm not going to be changing my stances completely, but the video you posted was quite informative, correct or incorrect.

I think what I need to take from this is that I need to stop trusting RT as a source of news. Used to really like their stuff. Shame.

I still think you should be watching some of their stuff, as they definitely report in a less orthodox manner. That video was an extract from Abby Martin's "Breaking The Set", which seems to include a lot of that negative outlook on the subject, and doesn't seem to have as much evidence (manual research would likely have to be done).

[Darth Crater]

According to the graph located here, the amount a state receives fluoridated water does vary. To see the graph, click the link "Most current data available".

Thanks for the link. They have a lot of data there, down to individual cities - anyone can look up how much fluoride is in their water here. The graph you mentioned doesn't show amount of fluoride in the water, though, just percentage fluoridated.

[THEWULFMAN]

If a news service does a report on something that I view as false, how can I trust anything else they put out? I think I'll just break up with RT.

C0nc0rdance has a great channel, thanks for showing it to me Crater.

[Darth Crater]

If a news service does a report on something that I view as false, how can I trust anything else they put out? I think I'll just break up with RT.

C0nc0rdance has a great channel, thanks for showing it to me Crater.

Thank (and thumbs-up) the guy who posted it in the comments of Drai's video. I found it that way myself.