Same Sex Marriage

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just to let you all know, rg3fever has been banned for name-calling.... I won't tolerate name-calling on either side of the debate... Our longer members should know better, but rg3fever took it too far.

This may be a dumb reason to ban someone, but oh well you finally done good, Nite.

[Draigun]

Genetically modified crops aren't really the issue, we've been genetically modifying everything since forever. The issue is the other policies in place like monocultures and the egregiously heavy use of pesticides, artificial fertilizer, and herbicides that creates poisonous run off.

Yes, this is one of the underlying reasons why biotech companies (particulary Monsanto) are known to be hated for. Their products contaminate the area, and supposedly, this new bill that President Obama just signed essentially gives Monsanto the right to infest organic farmland with run-off created by their poisonous pesticides.

As for the paranoia surrounding Monsanto, the company has been known (back in the 1990s) to have taken control of the market through corruption and monopolization. The company has also been known in the Vietnam War to establish biochemical warfare, alongside Dow Chemical. It was called 'Operation Ranch Hand'. It goes to show how capable they are with modifying the foods. Also, it's an obvious trend now in America, that obesity, diseases, ailments, etc. has been increasing at an exponential rate ever since the 1990s. Genetically-modified foods were not on the market until 1996.

But this is not to say that genetically engineering food is completely bad. In certain cases, it is useful. For example, there could be an area in a maize field that has more bugs eating the corn; having bug resistant seeds would surely prevent too much scarcity. I also think that not all organic food is completely healthy. I say this because when it is pure organic, nothing is done to prevent common issues that affect food, such as bug infestation, disease carrying animals, or even some farm run off. The chances of an organic farm having these is quite low, but here and there, organic food can be considered unhealthy and poisonous.

I just think biotech companies are taking genetically modifying too far, and that now they are immune to litigation, well, they are essentially unstoppable. They are even in the works of creating an entirely new species of fish, for human consumption only. A lot of the food we eat is derived from nature one way or another, but actually creating an entire new food... disturbing.


Anyway, I've already mentioned my opinion on same sex marriage. It's also ridiculous on how society handles it. Rainbows, for what? Special places, for what? It's societies fault for making it such a big deal out of the entire matter, and now we have to create special things for these so called 'special' people.

[Darth Crater]

Genetically modified crops aren't really the issue, we've been genetically modifying everything since forever. The issue is the other policies in place like monocultures and the egregiously heavy use of pesticides, artificial fertilizer, and herbicides that creates poisonous run off.

Off topic: crater, my mouse broke finally after a decade. I will be buying one Saturday morning, could you see if you're available to do the match tomorrow and get in touch with legacy/galaxy?

Draigun appears to disagree about genetic modification, but then I'm not really surprised. By the position, or by the manipulative arguments and fallacies used to defend it.

I sent you a PM about the match but you don't appear to have read it. You haven't been on Xfire recently - is there a better way for me to contact you?

[Mandalore]

Answered.
And yes, the arguments against GMOs are bundles. Because everyone loves bundle savings. But what people don't realize is that GMOs have actually proven the capability to end world hunger. We actually produce enough calories to sustain a population around 8 or 9 billion. It's just that calorie allocation isn't very good, being quite western centric obviously. While the downside to GMOs do exist, such as increasing the cost to produce at the levels that industrial conglomerates can, and thus helping to eradicate small independent farm owners is indeed a downside in my opinion, it will level off eventually in my opinion.

Don't quote me on that end world hunger thing, didn't look into it myself. Saw it on some documentary whose name escapes me at the moment.

[THEWULFMAN]

I'm late to the party. Those who know me well know I'm a big LGBT right's advocate (as well as human rights in general). My sig should give everyone the hint as well.

I personally believe I'm a good debator when it comes to gay marriage.

Sinful you say? Fine. Let them choose to be sinful or not. Forcing them to be isn't honest in God's eyes. I don't think it's sinful, but this is my counterargument.

As for GMOs, I'm fine with them as long as they are very thoroughly tested.

But I have the feeling that women today think it is degrading to stay home.

Here's a fun tidbit to add on this. My mom stayed at home to take care of me, her sick child. All the other moms looked down on her for not having a job outside of taking care of me.

just to let you all know, rg3fever has been banned for name-calling

Love you. <3

[(=DK=)Samonuh]

Sinful you say? Fine. Let them choose to be sinful or not. Forcing them to be isn't honest in God's eyes. I don't think it's sinful, but this is my counterargument.

That's still a terrible argument because you're pretty much telling the evangelical Christians that they're right about it being a sin. I've had the privilege to hold a discussion with Bishop Gene Robinson of the Episcopal Church, the first openly gay man to hold a position like this in a Christian sect. I'd love to type what he told me, but I'll have to wait until later. I'm short on time.

[Viking2525]

“Religion has convinced people that there's an invisible man ... living in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn't want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs money.”


― George Carlin

[THEWULFMAN]

Sinful you say? Fine. Let them choose to be sinful or not. Forcing them to be isn't honest in God's eyes. I don't think it's sinful, but this is my counterargument.

That's still a terrible argument because you're pretty much telling the evangelical Christians that they're right about it being a sin. I've had the privilege to hold a discussion with Bishop Gene Robinson of the Episcopal Church, the first openly gay man to hold a position like this in a Christian sect. I'd love to type what he told me, but I'll have to wait until later. I'm short on time.

There will be plenty people out there who will NEVER EVER agree that it isn't a sin. No mat.ter what you tell them. Believe me, I've met them. The point of my argument is to find a way to sway them to support gay marriage. Which is important, because it's going to take a long time before most Christians come around to seeing things my way (actually... sad what's more likely is they'd turn atheist first, given how the global climate is turning against all forms of religion). And while I agree with you somewhat, marriage sadly has to be controlled by the government, at least for now.

Forgive grammar issues, wrote this just before sleep as I'm exhausted right now.

[NiteRunner81]

I believe that they deserve all the LEGAL rights that married heterosexuals have... I just wish they could call it something else out of respect for the religious beliefs of others... Its one of those issues I just wish that "we can all get along" and settle and just be done with it...

As it stands: if a partner in a same sex relation (to be referred to as SSR) passes away any children in that relationship could be taken away from the other partner if they were biologically related to the deceased partner. Those children could be separated from other siblings (adopted/biologically related to the living parent) and be forced to live with other relatives that were not part of their lives beforehand. I find that heartbreaking and that is the sole reason I support the cause of giving them ALL the legal rights of marriage. For me it always comes down to one thing: CHILDREN.... Children with parents in an SSR deserve the protections. Also, did you know that kids with parents in an SSR also are likely not to have insurance benefits....

[Viking2525]

Also, did you know that kids with parents in an SSR also are likely not to have insurance benefits....

Which is why DOMA and all these state amendments are wrong. Good job righties keeping kids from access to insurance because you're little books tell you to make religious laws in this country.