Same Sex Marriage

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

Leviticus 18:22: "And you must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing."

Now regardless of your viewpoint, as far as the bible goes it's a sin.
So any religion that bases itself on the bible "should" (considering they follow their own rules) consider it a sin.
If your not religions you shouldn't really say sin or not, since you have your own morale or rules(in case you do have any)

As far as this topic goes, not giving my opinion on this one.

MT(BTW i love this new smiley )

[WD-40]

Leviticus 18:22: "And you must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing."

Cause getting a man's poop on your pecker just ain't the natural order of things. You forgot that line.

[Viking2525]

But girl poop is perfectly acceptable.

[SWINE FLU]

Leviticus 18:22: "And you must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing."

I'm a very big supporter of LGBT rights, so this may be some bias coming through here, or (as an atheist) my ignorance. So, please Christians, correct me if I'm wrong!

I've always been told that God loves all. The quote above basically says that homosexuality is wrong, I get that, God doesn't like it. Surely this is a contradiction to the "God loves all" point? If God surely loves everyone, then surely God should be in support of LGBT rights. Also, the Christian teaching "Love your neighbour as yourself" comes across to me as: treat others how you would like to be treated. I'm sure all the Christians in relationship would like to look at their partner and think "I can marry this person". People in a homosexual relationship wouldn't be able to do that. The neighbour teaching also comes across to me as: Put yourself in someone else's shoes. Anyone not in favour of LGBT rights (not just Christians) should take a walk in a homosexual's shoes. Try to imagine not being able to marry the person you love.

As I say, that's just what I interpret from the Bible. If I'm wrong, please cure me of my ignorance!

[THEWULFMAN]

Ah yes, MT. Leviticus. The book where it details that slavery is very a-okay, where round haircuts are wrong, homosexuality is a bad sin, and you can't wear polyester. Leviticus is the Lord's word and thus is law. Then why we don't listen to the rest of Leviticus word for word, I ask everyone.

[Col. Hstar]

Leviticus 18:22: "And you must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing."

I'm a very big supporter of LGBT rights, so this may be some bias coming through here, or (as an atheist) my ignorance. So, please Christians, correct me if I'm wrong!

I've always been told that God loves all. The quote above basically says that homosexuality is wrong, I get that, God doesn't like it. Surely this is a contradiction to the "God loves all" point? If God surely loves everyone, then surely God should be in support of LGBT rights. Also, the Christian teaching "Love your neighbour as yourself" comes across to me as: treat others how you would like to be treated. I'm sure all the Christians in relationship would like to look at their partner and think "I can marry this person". People in a homosexual relationship wouldn't be able to do that. The neighbour teaching also comes across to me as: Put yourself in someone else's shoes. Anyone not in favour of LGBT rights (not just Christians) should take a walk in a homosexual's shoes. Try to imagine not being able to marry the person you love.

As I say, that's just what I interpret from the Bible. If I'm wrong, please cure me of my ignorance!

This was actually brought up in another thread before

As far as the hating of people who are homosexual of you look at Proverbs 6:16 it talks about the things God hates. It's a summary of all things detestable to him but what I want to point out is that it's the things and actions that he hates. Not people or type of people he hates. Jesus when he was on earth ministered, not to the Rabbis and the Priests but to those who were considered sinners. He had great love for anyone who was listening to him. In my opinion this is how God views us. He wants us to follow the advice he gives, but he isn't going to force it on us. We make the choice whether or not to follow him.

Also God does not want automatic worship, or blind faith to be put in him. We are free to decide what we will do with our lives. He offers no threat of eternal torture in hell, he says the wages sin pays is death. (Romans 6:23) Ecclesiastes says that the when some one dies in that day their thoughts do perish, the dead are conscious of nothing at all. The Idea of hell fire and being tormented forever are false doctrines. Nowhere does the Bible say there is a hell. The word Sheol in ancient Hebrew refers to mankind's common grave. Depictions of hell portrayed in Catholic churches in Italy have been traced to Etruscan roots, but teachings of a nether world have also been traced to Babylonian, and Egyptian beliefs.

As far as Wulf's views on Leviticus, I've always viewed the bible as a letter from God that allows us to learn about him, to get to know what he thinks and how he views things. No one is bound to the mosaic law today. (Colossians 1:13-16) It had it's purpose in ancient Israel but it is useful now in that it helps us understand what moral standards God wants us to live by.

As far as the act of homosexuality, I know you don't want to hear "because God says so" but if you look at it from the standpoint that God created everything, that would give him the right to determine the proper uses for his creation. Of course, to do this you would need to accept him as the creator.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

Ah yes, MT. Leviticus. The book where it details that slavery is very a-okay, where round haircuts are wrong, homosexuality is a bad sin, and you can't wear polyester. Leviticus is the Lord's word and thus is law. Then why we don't listen to the rest of Leviticus word for word, I ask everyone.

Well then don't mention sins, imo either you accept the bible or you don't, accepting "some" things while others not is like saying you follow "some" of the traffic rules.
Following "some" traffic rules can get you killed, if you are religious and are based on the bible you can't take whatever just suits you otherwise you might just say "I'm somewhat religious"

I've always been told that God loves all. The quote above basically says that homosexuality is wrong, I get that, God doesn't like it. Surely this is a contradiction to the "God loves all" point? If God surely loves everyone, then surely God should be in support of LGBT rights. Also, the Christian teaching "Love your neighbour as yourself" comes across to me as: treat others how you would like to be treated. I'm sure all the Christians in relationship would like to look at their partner and think "I can marry this person". People in a homosexual relationship wouldn't be able to do that. The neighbour teaching also comes across to me as: Put yourself in someone else's shoes. Anyone not in favour of LGBT rights (not just Christians) should take a walk in a homosexual's shoes. Try to imagine not being able to marry the person you love.

As I say, that's just what I interpret from the Bible. If I'm wrong, please cure me of my ignorance!

The "god loves all" teachings is quite incorrect.
The bible like homestar already stated mentions things that god hates and/or detests
We should treat each others like we would treat ourselfs, however the bible also mentions that we should distance ourselfs from people that don't follow said rules or don't have the same morale.
The bible is full of examples of people who were dragged in by friends or family to break the biblical laws what i said above is basically protection for yourself.

In any case "imo it's not a sin" doesn't apply when the bible states it otherwise, now if you don't believe it, don't believe but don't mention religion or the bible on the topic.

MT

[THEWULFMAN]

I don't even know what to say to you anymore, MT. Other than that you're the exact kind of person I mentioned before.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

I don't even know what to say to you anymore, MT. Other than that you're the exact kind of person I mentioned before.

That would be because there is nothing religious/biblical-wise you can defend yourself with on this Mather.

I'm a person that stands and defends what i think is right, i defend my ideals, my beliefs and my morale as well as my arguments.
There are enough persons that tend to go with the flow and don't dish one nor the other side and to that the bible also says something:

Revelations 3:15-16:
"I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were cold or else hot. So, because you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to vomit you out of my mouth."

Told you my opinion would bring grief, instead of real arguments

MT

[THEWULFMAN]

That would be because there is nothing religious/biblical-wise you can defend yourself with on this Mather[sic].

Don't make assumptions. No, that's not why. It's because you're so set firmly in your belief that nothing I say would change your mind. Why waste my time like that?

I'm a person that stands and defends what i think is right, i defend my ideals, my beliefs and my morale as well as my arguments.

I understand that, and I respect that you're trying to defend your beliefs, and I'm not trying to say you can't do that. We live in a free country, one should be able to do so.

What I can't abide is your "all or nothing" approach to the bible. I'd rather be an atheist. Because I don't support slavery. I don't support prejudice of any kind.


If you didn't want grief, you should have stayed away from this topic altogether.