Same Sex Marriage

[Dad]

Holy off track batman!

Over here, we are quoting a collection of fairy tales written 300+ years after a person who we have no proof ever exsisted about an imaginary figure in the sky. This was supposed to be the "age of Aquarius". The age when the human race let go of religious dogma, which spawns intolerance, ignorance and hatred. I still have hope that the resurgence of religion in some parts of the world are just part of religions death throes.

Over here, we are debating what makes someone homosexual. Something that we most likely will never know. The only thing we can know is that it is NOT something you are born with. Every species on earth is born, programmed in their DNA, with self preservation first, propagation of the species second. They can be overridden. People commit suicide, and people become gay.

The question was, should homosexuals be allowed to marry, or not?

I say yes. Maybe this will be the catalyst that will change the now barbaric divorce and child support laws.

[SWINE FLU]

I don't believe there is a proven cause for homosexuality yet. It could be a number of things, eg: hormones (most people know they're homosexual when they're in their teens- puberty, could it be genetic, or some kind of mutation? Or is it upbringing? Or is it all in one? There's no answer yet. If there ever will be, I cannot say.

Coming back to marriage now. For most people, getting married is not just about the 'legal convenience' but a statement of their love to themselves and the world. It's a meaningful process to publicly declare your love for one another infront of friends and family. It can show how important a partner is, when you stick by during the tough and trying times whilst working as a team. I get the feeling that there are a handful of folk here who do not like the idea of same sex marriage. To them, I ask them to do this:

Look at who you love (if no one, just imagine). You love them as much as any couple, and want to show the world how much you love eachother. You want to declare your love by marrying. However, you cannot because the law is against you. How would that make you feel? I know very well it would make me feel awful.

Gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender. It doesn't er. We all belong to the same race. We are all human, regardless of actions or sexual orientation. So why should one human not have the same right as another? We are living in the 21st century, where I hope by the end of it everyone has the same rights as anyone else.

[WD-40]

I say yes too Dad, and thanks Wulf for clarifying that, so I retract it.. I only got bent because I simply made an 'theory' and Crater started punching holes in it like I was going to publish it in a science magazine tomorrow. It's just an opinion, that's all. Yes Narg aka [m'kay], is correct, as I didn't mean to lump them all in the same personality. Some Gay men are 'butch' and gay women can be 'feminine' too.

Look, let me try to put my thinking in perspective...I'm 50 years old now. It was frustrating, in that growing up all those years in the shadow of an 'older' gay brother back in the late 70's and 80's, who 'officially' came out of the closet and confessed it in 1991, about 5 years after I got married, causing my wife to wonder if I harbored those sort of 'needs'. I assured her it didn't, as I was quite loaded with female-loving testosterone to prove it. It took years, even after having 3 kids together, for her to stop wondering.

But I knew my brother was gay long before that back in the late 70's. The way he talked, his walk,(not full-blown flaming), his few awkward dates with girls when he was in high school and college and how he behaved around women, preferring all his free time with guys, etc. My parents suspected it too, although I believe they were in denial. I love my brother very much, and his homosexuality hasn't diminished that love. It has helped me be more open to understanding that lifestyle a lot sooner in life as a result. My posts may appear anti-gay, but be assured I'm not. That being said, I have no ill-will toward the gay community, and their desire to marry. I can still be amused by it all though. And I still believe my spirit theory :P

[Yanoda]

A question for anyone daring to answer - If homosexualaity is natural then why didn't evolution just make us all asexual? I just want to see what people think.

Asexual Reproduction reduces the genetic variation/diversity within the species or group. This, in turn, makes the group/species more susceptible to disease or environmental changes.
It is more beneficial to have sexual reproduction versus asexual reproduction with multicellular organisms overall in protecting the species and having them survive.
Asexual reproduction can also have species undergo 'Evolution' with mutations within the DNA, but the process is much much slower. Whereas sexual reproduction leads to an inherent Genetic Variation in the offspring that promotes and speeds up Evolution.

Fun Fact: Identical twins are actually made by Asexual reproduction, where the egg divides into two and grow independently in the uterus.


Now onto the Homosexuality situation.
Studies indicate that women who are related to homosexual men tend to have more children/offspring.
There are some findings that Women who have several sons, the younger son is more likely to be homosexual.
Studies show that genes play an important role in the sexual orientation of individuals, where "common genetic patterns were shared by 60% of the gay men in the study".
Epigenetics also likely play an important role in sexual orientation.

Here are some interesting links I recommend reading:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6519
http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/ ... e-gay-gene
http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregnancy/3641
http://www.livescience.com/25431-gene-r ... ality.html
http://www.livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html

[Duel of Fates]

Over here, we are quoting a collection of fairy tales written 300+ years after a person who we have no proof ever exsisted about an imaginary figure in the sky. This was supposed to be the "age of Aquarius". The age when the human race let go of religious dogma, which spawns intolerance, ignorance and hatred. I still have hope that the resurgence of religion in some parts of the world are just part of religions death throes.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8655 ... tml?pg=all







Hate to say it, but you can wish in one hand, and [poo] in the other. Which will get filled first? And don't even get me started on those druids and scientologists.

OK. Y'all can resume this fascinating discussion.

[Col. Hstar]

Holy off track batman!

Over here, we are quoting a collection of fairy tales written 300+ years after a person who we have no proof ever exsisted about an imaginary figure in the sky. This was supposed to be the "age of Aquarius". The age when the human race let go of religious dogma, which spawns intolerance, ignorance and hatred. I still have hope that the resurgence of religion in some parts of the world are just part of religions death throes.

Over here, we are debating what makes someone homosexual. Something that we most likely will never know

Not as off track as you think. There were plenty of posts talking about homosexuality and the bible. Add to that, Swine Flu directly asked a question with regards to clarification on the bible and Gods view of homosexuality.

I'd have thought that discussing genetically modified crops was more off topic, and even that lasted through a couple pages. I guess that wasn't as note worthy though

[Bailey]

Why does it er what Christianity says about homosexuality? Separation of church and state is there for a reason. If the Catholic church does not want to condone gay marriage then that's fine, let them morally oppose it, but they have no right to keep it from being legal.

[Col. Hstar]

Why does it er what Christianity says about homosexuality? Separation of church and state is there for a reason. If the Catholic church does not want to condone gay marriage then that's fine, let them morally oppose it, but they have no right to keep it from being legal.

It doesn't er when it comes to marriage. I was pointing out that the thread went off track way before.As I said bringing the bible into this discussion which is clearly a political one, is pointless. Jesus taught his followers to remain neutral in world affairs.

[NiteRunner81]

Who's bisexual? I AM!!!!

[THEWULFMAN]

I'm not bi, despite trying to be. My mom is though.