Same Sex Marriage

[Darth Crater]

Being gay and being black are not equal things and to compare race and sexual orientation makes no sense. I stand by my comments.

They're both superficial characteristics that should have no bearing on a person's legal status at all, but are being used to prevent some people from being treated equally. Although I've found " interracial marriage" works a bit better as a comparison.

Oh, and I'm tired of the "It doesn't matter, look at my pet issue instead!" "argument" for the same reason.

It's not like Christianity has any special claim on the idea of "marriage" anyway. If a religion wants to slap some special descriptors on certain forms of marriage, they can do that; just don't ask us to put it into law.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

Not been around this thread for a while but anyhows.
@Mandy
If you don't like it, don't read it

I've heard this many times before. What always occurs me to is 'if moral, customs and manners can change over time in regards to slavery, why can't it for homosexuality?"

As Crater has said, homosexuality passes the only moral test that mat.ters to me; does it hurt anyone? No, homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone. At least not anymore. Let me explain.

Many things in the OT can be seen as guidelines for health safety and for the betterment of our species. A prime example, one wasn't allowed to touch the skin of a pig. Nor eat them for that mat.ter. Neither were we suppose to eat shellfish. This can be seen as God telling us not to eat or touch things that could give us diseases.

Now, what is the issue with homosexuality in regards to the betterment of our species? Reproduction, and that alone. At the time the bible was written, the average human lifespan was quite short compared to now. Reproduction of our species is something God obviously was concerned with. The bible forbids masturbation, contraception, and homosexuality. What are the problems with these things? They do not cause reproduction. They waste time and effort when our species needed to proliferate.

Fast forward 2 thousand years. We are 7 billion strong. We need not concern ourselves with reproduction anymore. If anything, we need to drastically slow down reproduction.

Homosexuality, masturbation, and contraception are no longer an issue. The Catholic Church sees things otherwise, saying it is sinful to use a condom. Which is causing the spread of HIV/AIDS in Africa. We need to adjust our outlook of morality and the bible, and realize how outdated the bible really is.

Indeed it's all about the morale, the bible shows Gods morale, tell me, what is the view on Incest?
Before i go into the subject let's be clear here personally whenever i think about the subject i need to be carefull not the trow up. H
owever there are cases where a couple discoveres they are actually brothers and can no longer marry.
The only diffrence is that if said couple if having kids has twice the chances of said children to be born with a disorder of some sorts.
If said couple didn't have children who would be hurt?

My point being, the views on that subject haven't changed over the years, acording to the bible it's "An abomination, something disgusting" which shares the same on homosexuality from a religios point of view.
Marriage is becoming a joke as it is "Till death do us part" rarely is this the case nowadays, but the same can be said of the morality of today, which has just drastically changed in the past few decades

But tell me where does the bible says it forbids contraception? The catholic church can say what it wants, doesn't automatically means they are right unless they have something to base themselfs on

Personally i feel this applies:
Proverbs 5:18-19
"let your water source prove to be blessed, and rejoice with the wife of your youth, a lovable hind and a charming mountain goat. Let her own breasts intoxicate you at all times. With her love may you be in an ecstasy constantly."

I doubt this is saying "only if you intend to have more children"
I guess i was a bit more interested in posting the contraception part rather then the homosexual part

MT

[Viking2525]

Talk about buffet religion! You just pick and choose what to follow outta the good ole bible huh? Yeah [m'kay] the gays cause God hates them anyway, but stay the hell away from my contraception...hundreds of years of Catholic dogma and study be damned.

[mrjamwin]

There is nothing in the bible for or against contraception

[(=DK=)Samonuh]

:jawd: Talk about buffet religion! You just pick and choose what to follow outta the good ole bible huh?

What if I told you the Bible involves tons of interpretation and context?

[Outrider]

Indeed it's all about the morale, the bible shows Gods morale, tell me, what is the view on Incest?

I believe the Bible inexplictly allows for first-generation incest in the case if the human population were to be reduced to an all time low again, such as when there were only eight indiviuals left after the Great Flood. This is to ensure that our species won't go extinct.

[THEWULFMAN]

Except the difference between Incest and Homosexuality is that the latter doesn't harm anyone or cause birth defects. To compare the two ignores my point that the only issue with homosexuality is a lack of reproduction, and that's no longer a concern for our species.

Incest will continue to be harmful unless we learn how to fix defects genetically.

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

I believe the Bible inexplictly allows for first-generation incest in the case if the human population were to be reduced to an all time low again, such as when there were only eight indiviuals left after the Great Flood. This is to ensure that our species won't go extinct.

Oh indeed, populating the earth is one thing, but when said thing was done that law was made and i'm not against that

:jawd: Talk about buffet religion! You just pick and choose what to follow outta the good ole bible huh? Yeah [m'kay] the gays cause God hates them anyway, but stay the hell away from my contraception...hundreds of years of Catholic dogma and study be damned.

Well that's what happens when religions add rules based on their own ideals, if a religion is based on the bible contraception wouldn't be wrong at all what study would there be when the bible doesn't state anything against it?

@ Wulf

Then i don't understand why was this law made when the jews left Egypte, they weren't lacking numbers, considering acording to the bible the Egyptians starting killing the just-born men because of their fastly increasing populating as far as i recall because of their "Fertile women"
That law was made when the population was increasing fast, alongside Incest being forbidden, if there was a lack of people that wouldn't have been made forbidden.
Alongside this one could argue that "More manpower" may have been needed, but considering Gideon and his 300 men beating an army just shows acording to the bible this wasn't the case either, manpower wasn't important as long as they followed the rules.
Alongside this the bible mentions "Abomination, disgusting etc" in the mix.

MT

[Viking2525]

:jawd: Talk about buffet religion! You just pick and choose what to follow outta the good ole bible huh?

What if I told you the Bible involves tons of interpretation and context?

Wow you don't say. I would've never figured that after the two semesters of bible (old then new testament) I had at Hardin-Simmons University (a baptist college).

[Viking2525]

:jawd: Talk about buffet religion! You just pick and choose what to follow outta the good ole bible huh? Yeah [m'kay] the gays cause God hates them anyway, but stay the hell away from my contraception...hundreds of years of Catholic dogma and study be damned.

Well that's what happens when religions add rules based on their own ideals, if a religion is based on the bible contraception wouldn't be wrong at all what study would there be when the bible doesn't state anything against it?


MT

I'm not Catholic, atheist truth be told, but this would seem to show God's not happy when you play with the plumbing he supposedly made.